From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 5 13:41:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84594E39120 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 13:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-qt0-x244.google.com (mail-qt0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CF927208E for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 13:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-qt0-x244.google.com with SMTP id z50so20347586qtj.4 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 06:41:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BwXWRSJNX/rE3y7h4uHdYLCVGa/ki244IdwpfghuRhM=; b=JDXZWOxWe9orbjbk/TNCk/baQMmmDIsPte21B7VG95+yn7SosYOrKipTBYLExY954c adXrRtaQ60720VwrwUZ9cQxHhKJOJjcM+4i2rEiUMECgDppVq/LDvPif4Sbscn4D4z/G xvIeuB3iopswkK2v61w34W+sAczE5ov79v9yQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BwXWRSJNX/rE3y7h4uHdYLCVGa/ki244IdwpfghuRhM=; b=CnFPQOk6zK9VHtBRgWzlNxE3W5tbVYdAbGrqXnCbmzXD+j/aotS3PycRSZ3UHKTQ+8 Ww1hyZZ2RcEZD0tL/0OFtn3krEr7xm5bV9uMSPjehIdnSAuzkbXhe0h+xMoDOHujUSCY 3qJgMC60WY3ZoqfOT23zr+V+Jw/QNO6hew1JUbuTZUluW63NDyJhJjSkWI6A3rRc48JE orLdKACU9zEO1/esFmsTQwCTM0qyI6Z1eT53uUQzoobuHei4U78ibXIQ7ampVJl2r6I+ GbCJf9TQBhpqwMIj9EI7wgNxB0MRUG9WC8ENaGhiL3Uop+Rx283VsInB4DkHG9OUk8oJ CHXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaV83e6XIOS+Xz54/UiMhIfRtvTT5cGvj60XjU59JxIWaeDwsGKR nbydIF8MM4fjrA6iHcfflttroLg3 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCgUyj2JUB/8bAqwdxt/+XFlph0dxrD4/yVKXDAV33PxOktIHewP3IRSB1D3UfTKNkhSqbzAw== X-Received: by 10.200.3.159 with SMTP id t31mr33416076qtg.338.1507210904014; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 06:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Papi.lobos (177.206.176.219.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br. [177.206.176.219]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k187sm7375447qkf.17.2017.10.05.06.41.42 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 05 Oct 2017 06:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:43:31 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Why did "enterprise" crap seem to win? (re: Virtualization, Java, Microsoft, Outsourcing, etc.)... Message-ID: <20171005104331.0cb4602b@Papi.lobos> In-Reply-To: <65DFB7B0-B25E-401A-B678-14B2E640598C@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20171005062919.88a3db9c.freebsd@edvax.de> <65DFB7B0-B25E-401A-B678-14B2E640598C@mail.sermon-archive.info> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 13:41:45 -0000 On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 21:55:36 -0700 Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 4 October 2017, at 21:29, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > Reason 3 - three! three reasons! - is social appeal. Just imagine > > you're actually understanding your work, and you do it better > > than others, then you're not a "team player", because you "make > > the other branch offices look bad and lazy". That's why it is > > not encouraged to improve things. > > > > Example from reality: I once worked for a shop where one person > > got a high wage for creating timesheet templates. Manually. She > > basically entered years, months, days and hours manually into a > > PC as if it was a typewriter. With additional microformatting. > > Every day. Every month. For years. When one of her coworkers > > suggested to automate the task basically by piping the output > > of "ncal" into a little awk script (he was a Linux person), > > he got yelled at for being "hostile to coworkers" and "threatening > > the staff". That's what you get when you use your brain. > > > > PC on, brain off. > > I have been in the programming and system development business since > the mid 60's. The more things change, the more they stay the same. > Nothing is new other than the acronyms. These reasons also hold for > senior managers. Every senior manager who was competent was fired > for showing up the others. The more competent, the quicker they > vanish. Once a manager who was rewarded with a trip (including > family) to one of the Caribbean islands came back to go to jail for > the illegal activities he did to win that award. He also cost the > company a fortune is lost revenue. There are many other examples I > have witnessed. It will never change. > > -- Doug > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Throughout my life, I can't even count how many times I saw this happen. I started off with assembly programming on a TMS99/4A back in 1980 while attending Berklee. I had studied electronics outside of school during the 8th grade so programming digital circuits was just a hop away to my brain, and actually a relief not having to worry about different voltage, resistance or current levels to put together a logic board. The music I wanted to make could never provide enough to feed my family, specially here in Brasil, so the then starting IT market fell into my lap like a glove. Despite the fact that I could prove my time working with the IT field, I always had trouble when the only papers I had to show was a certificate in electronics and a music diploma, so I forced myself into a post-graduate course in network management so I could have that paper connection employers need as proof. Anyway, I'm here basically to express the same feelings Carlos Gottberg did on his post: of being grateful for being here, surrounded by people that found pretty much the same hardships as you (even given the differences in country, cultures and social upbringing) and chose to stay (also pretty much) on the path they started off with. It is an enormous relief to know you're all out there! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things."