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Date:      Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:37:10 +0200
From:      des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=)
To:        Roger Marquis <marquis@roble.com>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-03:12.openssh
Message-ID:  <xzp8yoltejd.fsf@dwp.des.no>
In-Reply-To: <20030919005659.4B5A7DACBD@mx7.roble.com> (Roger Marquis's message of "Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:56:59 -0700 (PDT)")
References:  <20030918192135.744AADACAF@mx7.roble.com> <20030918231811.GE527@silverwraith.com> <20030919001951.GD2720@saboteur.dek.spc.org> <20030919005659.4B5A7DACBD@mx7.roble.com>

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Roger Marquis <marquis@roble.com> writes:
> Bruce M Simpson wrote:
> > When you run out of inetd to service a single connection, you have to
> > generate a new ephemeral key for every ssh instance. This is a needless
> > waste of precious entropy from /dev/random.
> [...]
> Also, by generating a different key for each session you get better
> entropy, which makes for better encryption, especially when you
> consider that the keys for one session are useless when attempting
> to decrypt other sessions.  For this reason alone it's better to
> run sshd out of inetd.
> [...]
> I've been using inetd+ssh since 1995, in dozens of data centers,
> across hundreds of hosts, and millions of sessions without a single
> problem.  I wonder what Bruce Schneier would think of Mr. Simpson's
> understanding of cryptography?

I think you're the one in need of a refresher course, as you obviously
do not understand the meaning of the word "entropy" in the context of
cryptographic-strength PRNGs.  Entropy is a limited resource, and
using more of it *reduces* rather than increases its quality.  I don't
suppose you have a thermal entropy generator in every single machine
you administrate, do you?

DES
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Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no



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