From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 28 13:35:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B798B911; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:35:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (wmauth2.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 894AA2F88; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:35:28 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.01(7.0.4.27.0) 64bit (built Aug 30 2012)) id <0MVD00500S9KU800@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:35:27 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-2, Version=6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2013.10.28.132415, SenderIP=0.0.0.0 X-Spam-Report: AuthenticatedSender=yes, SenderIP=0.0.0.0 Received: from wanderer.tachypleus.net (adsl-76-208-69-44.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net [76.208.69.44]) by smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.01(7.0.4.27.0) 64bit (built Aug 30 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MVD0013OSF1ZG30@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:35:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <526E681D.9070405@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:35:25 -0500 From: Nathan Whitehorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 To: Gleb Smirnoff , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [heads up] axing AppleTalk and IPX/SPX References: <20131028124221.GO52889@glebius.int.ru> In-reply-to: <20131028124221.GO52889@glebius.int.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:35:28 -0000 On 10/28/13 07:42, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > Hello! > > [Cc to stable@, for wider audience] > > The plan is two axe two old networking protocols from FreeBSD head/, > meaning that FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE, available in couple of years would > be shipped without them. > > 1) AppleTalk > > Last time claimed to be supported by vendor in 2007[1]. In practice > had very little use since 90th. > Discontinued by major routing equipment vendors since 2009[2]. I actually still use this. > Current status of these protocols in FreeBSD is "compilable". For the > next couple of years, we plan a lot of changes in networking stack, > many of which will require changing the protocols, as well. Keeping > them in compilable state would require additional manpower, but it > is very probable, that after all the changes they will be utterly > broken, albeit compilable. Given that Appletalk currently is in a much state than "compilable", how serious are these changes? > P.S. I account any objector as taker of maintainership :) > If they are minor, I volunteer for Appletalk. Otherwise, axe away... -Nathan