From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 1 16:13:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35331065672 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@geniegate.com) Received: from geniegate.com (geniegate.com [65.18.174.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA978FC0C for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from geniegate.com (geniegate.com [65.18.174.84]) by geniegate.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o21GGYbO044040 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:16:34 GMT (envelope-from jamie@geniegate.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by geniegate.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id o21GGYTS044039 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:16:34 GMT (envelope-from jamie@geniegate.com) X-Authentication-Warning: geniegate.com: joe set sender to jamie@geniegate.com using -f Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 05:44:45 -0600 From: Jamie To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100301114445.GB26935@apollo.podro.com> References: <4B8ABAB3.1060003@gamozo.org> <9d972bed1003010724g5b64123ap5ff18c408dc0a7e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9d972bed1003010724g5b64123ap5ff18c408dc0a7e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: FreeBSD Popularity X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:13:27 -0000 On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:24:19AM -0500, Roger wrote: > FreeBSD should continue to innovate and not imitate. > I was a Linux (Desktop and Server) user, now I am a FreeBSD user > (Desktop and Server) and I could not be any happier. I'm a freebsd server user, tried it on the desktop but some applications just didn't work. > I did not install FreeBSD because someone came and got in my face and > advocated about it. I did it on my own. Obviously you had to have known about FreeBSD to do it on your own. > FreeBSD got me just by being FreeBSD and by offering what it offers. > No marketing needed. I disagree to some extent, case in point is the jail functionality, there are linux users who consider chroot to be the same thing, they simply don't know the difference (worse.. there are packages out there claiming to give it jail functionality but really it's just a chroot'ed login, this is misleading) Performance under heavy load is another thing linux users probably aren't aware of. (I wasn't!) It's hard to find a hosting provider that'll do FreeBSD, this I assume is because people aren't asking for it and people aren't asking for it because they probably don't know about it (or why it's good for server level stuff) Clearly, some "marketing" is needed if we are to have choices in the future about hosting. It's not linux users in particular though, a lot of people who *make the decisions* don't even know what linux is, they just hear a lot of hype about it and figure "everyone else is using linux, so it must be better". I see this all the time with PHP and MySQL, when I suggest postgresql for some applications, it's "brought to my attention" that postgresql has "fallen behind" mysql by the business owners who make these decisions. (and PHP... well.. thats way better.. because it won the popularity contest) These are people who don't know what linux or UNIX or referential integrity is. They don't see that just because it's "easier" to get started with linux or mysql, it doesn't make them better tools, it just makes them more popular tools among the masses. When 20 people say mysql and I say postgresql, in the eyes of someone who really doesn't know.. they'll always choose mysql. > So I would love it if FreeBSD continues to improve and involve without > being influenced by Linux, Windows or Mac. I don't mind if freebsd takes the good things from linux and mac, I just hope the base system never requires an X server and a bazillion gnome libraries... :-) One thing about linux and marketing, linux HAS done a lot of good toward bringing alternatives to the windows crowd mindshare. Jamie -- http://www.geniegate.com Custom web programming Perl * Java * UNIX User Management Solutions