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Date:      27 Jul 2002 22:55:49 -0400
From:      Joe Marcus Clarke <marcus@marcuscom.com>
To:        "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Peter Leftwich <Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com>, Michael Wells <mwvw@adelphia.net>, FreeBSD User Questions List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: What do we need in a FreeBSD desktop? (was: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [support groups])
Message-ID:  <1027824950.48261.59.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020728023016.GA51076@wantadilla.lemis.com>
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On Sat, 2002-07-27 at 22:30, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Friday, 26 July 2002 at 21:10:08 -0400, Peter Leftwich wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Michael Wells wrote:
> >> Peter, I can surely understand your frustrations.  I have has some rea=
l X86
> >> issues lately and have had to spend literally hours fixing my own
> >> mistakes trying to upgrade my source.  I am getting hooked on this
> >
> > Totally the essence of my post and complaint.  FreeBSD is superb... if =
you
> > are comfortable in a text environment.  Can anyone out there among you
> > imagine being shell-only from Feb 16th 2002 til mid Jul 2002?
> >
> > Will FreeBSD's core of developers ever leap into integrating X *and* a
> > window manager (something similar to Windows)?  I surely hope so.
>=20
> This one has been done to death, almost.  X is part of the FreeBSD
> distribution.  You can install it really easily.  I've been using
> FreeBSD (and BSD/386 before it) as my desktop exclusively for over ten
> years, so it can be done.  The real problem I have is knowing which of
> the over 7,000 ports you want to install to get "basic" desktop
> functionality.  Some time ago I created the "instant-workstation"
> port, but didn't make much noise about it.  instant-workstation
> basically installs a number of dependent ports (see below for a list)
> and then does some minor configuration.  Over the past couple of days
> I've been installing a brand new machine (laptop) for a friend, and
> I've been looking at the rough edges.  Here's what I've found:
>=20
> 1.  Some of the dependent ports don't build cleanly.  This obviously
>     requires some attention.
> 2.  "instant" is a misnomer, at least if you build from source.  I'm
>     building on a Dell Inspiron 7500 with a 600 MHz processor, and it
>     takes over 12 hours.
> 3.  Once it's built, it works "out of the box".  I've installed the
>     XFree86 4 port, and installation is really nothing more than this:
>=20
>     # X -configure
>     # mv /root/XF86Config.new /etc
>     # echo exec kdestart > ~me/.xinitrc
>=20
>     You can then run startx or xdm and end up in a relatively complete
>     kde environment.
>=20
> So what's in instant-workstation?  Currently I have:
>=20
> 	acroread
> 	bash
> 	cdrecord
> 	dos2unix
> 	emacs
> 	fetchmail
> 	gs
> 	grip
> 	gimp
> 	gv
> 	gpg
> 	ispell
> 	startkde
> 	mkisofs
> 	mount_smbfs
> 	mutt
> 	netscape
> 	xtset
> 	xmms
> 	xv
>=20
> My questions to you: is there anything missing?  Has anybody tried
> instant-workstation?  I'd be interested in suggestions about how to
> improve it.

What about an instant-workstation-gnome?

Joe

>=20
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>=20
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