Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:17:24 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: sendmail (8bit char problem?) Message-ID: <199608021117.NAA13206@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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It is happening more and more these days that we get mail originating from non-unix systems causing cumber to unix mail-readers like elm,elm+mime, netscape, etc. Just happened to me in this list the other day that someone sent a ms-tnef appendix which neither netscape nor elm+mime could parse. (probably due to the lack of an appropriate filter) In the following case for which I'm begging this list for support I'm receiving mail on gil (running 2.1.0) which cannot be processed by elm+mime [ELM 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)]. Could some sendmail expert have a look at it please. From the headers I understand that the sending host is directly contacting my sendmail on gil: (the contents of the following digest contains some discussion on the topic as well) --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de |From samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au Fri Aug 2 13:00:03 1996 |Received: from arvidsjaur (arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au [150.203.160.29]) by |gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA12962 |for <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:59:44 +0200 |X-Warning: Original message contained 8-bit characters, however during | the SMTP transport session the receiving system was unable to | announce capability of receiving 8-bit SMTP (RFC 1425-1428), | and as this message does not have MIME headers (RFC 1341) to | enable encoding change, we had very little choices. |X-Warning: We ASSUME it is less harmfull to add the MIME headers, and | convert the text to Quoted-Printable, than not to do so, | and to strip the message to 7-bits.. (RFC 1428 Appendix A) |MIME-Version: 1.0 |Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UNKNOWN-8BIT |Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE |Received: by arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au via suspension id <66010-186>; Fri, |2 Aug 1996 20:34:49 +1000 |Received: from arvidsjaur ([127.0.0.1]) by arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au with |SMTP id <65147-186>; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:23:18 +1000 |Errors-To: listproc-errors@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |Reply-To: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |Originator: samba@samba.anu.edu.au |Sender: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |Precedence: bulk |From: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |To: Multiple recipients of list <samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au> |Subject: SAMBA digest 1013 |X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas |X-Comment: Discussion of Samba software package |Message-Id: <96Aug2.172318+1000est.65147-186+1752@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au> |Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:14:07 +1000 |Status: RO | | SAMBA Digest 1013 | |For information on unsubscribing and on what is appropriate to post to |this list see ftp://samba.anu.edu.au/pub/lists/samba.txt | |Topics covered in this issue include: | | 1) Re: Quoted-Printable | by jem@mystery.milleredp.com (John Edward Miller) | 2) Re: Problem with Digest 1010 - is it just me? | by "Christoph P. Kukulies" <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> | 3) Re: Problem with Digest 1010 - is it just me? | by Jochen Friedrich <eurjof@eur.sas.com> | 4) SAMBA ON SCO | by CBADET@aol.com | 5) Re: Birddroppings | by Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <rask@kampsax.dtu.dk> | 6) Re: SAMBA ON SCO | by bill@celestial.com (Bill Campbell) | 7) SAMBA ON SCO UNIX 3.4V4.2 | by CBADET@aol.com | 8) Re: Birddroppings | by DAVID GAUDINE <davidg@alcor.concordia.ca> | 9) Samba on linux AND be able to check mail | by Chris Boller <chris@bigscary.demon.co.uk> | 10) Max. Number of Clients Per Samba Host | by Hong Trac <hongt@sa-cgy.valmet.com> | |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | |Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 23:34:59 -0700 (PDT) |From: jem@mystery.milleredp.com (John Edward Miller) |To: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |Subject: Re: Quoted-Printable |Message-ID: <199608010633.XAA06018@mystery.milleredp.com> | |> . this is standard Qouted-Printable Encoding in MIME-Mails.. |> You should look into the setup of your Mailer (MUA) if you can enable |> automatic MIME-Decoding or switch to a Mailer which is MIME-capable. |=20 |For individual messages that's true but for digests the digest software= | would |have to deal with it since methinks the resulting digest is not sent as |content-type quoted-printable. | |Then we would try to get list software to discard MS-TNEF bodyparts sen= |t out by |ragged MS mail products, etc... | |John. | | | |------------------------------ | |Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:17:23 +0200 |From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> |To: chris@suite.sw.oz.au |Cc: samba@anu.edu.au |Subject: Re: Problem with Digest 1010 - is it just me? |Message-ID: <199608010817.KAA06804@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> | | |Of the last 10 or so digests about the half was unreadable due to |some 8 bit stuff of some such which my 'elm' mail reader |discovered as Mime encapsulated but trying to 'v'iew it |didn't show anything. I was blaming it to my elm setup |but now that you are saying it I doubt that it's on my side. | |--Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de | | |------------------------------ | |Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:37:48 +0200 (MESZ) |From: Jochen Friedrich <eurjof@eur.sas.com> |To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> |Cc: Multiple recipients of list <samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au> |Subject: Re: Problem with Digest 1010 - is it just me? |Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.92.960801103708.16619B-100000@vetters.eur.sas.c= |om> | |Hi Christoph, | |> Of the last 10 or so digests about the half was unreadable due to |> some 8 bit stuff of some such which my 'elm' mail reader |> discovered as Mime encapsulated but trying to 'v'iew it |> didn't show anything. I was blaming it to my elm setup |> but now that you are saying it I doubt that it's on my side. | |Apparently, one "sendmail" in the path to you is either a very old one = |or |configured to only accept 7bit mails. The problam starts as soon as a |message contains 8bit characters (like i.e. german umlauts). In this ca= |se |modern sendmails (8.7 or better) try to compensate this by adding a MIM= |E |header and flagging it as "UNKNOWN-8BIT" (sendmail really has to chance= | to |know what character set the author originally used). You may check the |complete mail headers where in the path this conversion was done (the M= |IME |header gets inserted below the Received header of the machine which onl= |y |accepts 7 bit). | |Cheers, |Jochen |-- |Jochen Friedrich, eurjof@eur.sas.com |"Few things are as much fun as 'accidentally' rm -Rf'ing /usr..." | -- Matt McLeod | | | |------------------------------ | |Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:54:01 -0400 |From: CBADET@aol.com |To: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |Subject: SAMBA ON SCO |Message-ID: <960801085401_169329470@emout19.mail.aol.com> | |Hello ! | |I try to install samba on sco unix 3.2v4.2, but i have some problems to |compile samba : | |i don't have the request file netdb.h. | |Can somebody help me ? |thanks. | | |------------------------------ | |Date: 01 Aug 96 14:47:02 +0100 ||From: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <rask@kampsax.dtu.dk> |To: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |Subject: Re: Birddroppings |Message-ID: <minimail_320117c6_2272b@k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk> | |On 31 Jul 1996 16:12 +1000 (+0900), degraaf@vnet.net wrote to me: | |> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:12:23 -0400 (EDT) |> From: degraaf@vnet.net |> To: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |> Subject: Birddroppings |> Message-ID: <199607301812.OAA21631@katie.vnet.net> | |> This isn't purely samba related, but is probably list-server related. | |> Does anyone else find the extra characters that show up in posts |> annoying? I'm referring to the "=3D20" at ends of lines and "3D" |> following =3D's. They really make it hard (for me) to read. |> Here's an egregious example from a recent post of=20 |> someone's smb.conf fragment: | |> [homes]=3D20 |> comment =3D3D This is your UNIX directory |> writable =3D3D yes=3D20 |> create mode =3D3D 750=3D20 |> ;=3D20 |> ; A publicly accessible directory,=3D20 | |> I don't know how this shows up for you; on my screen I see "=3D20" |> at the end of each line except the second, and "3D" after the "=3D" o= |n |> lines 2, 3 and 4. Clearly, these were not intended. | |I don't get any of these :-) | |> I had thought these were due to use of an inept MS editor, and smugly |> thought that since I use elm and vi I could never be guilty of such | ^^^ |> ugly stuff. | |Closing in on the problem, I think. | |> Imagine my surprise when my recent post appeared, decorated with a fe= |w |> of these birddroppings. | |> How can this happen??? Is the listserver doing it? |> Can it be fixed? Do I need to change something? | |It looks like either your mail system doesn't support ESMTP and/or |your mailer doesn't know about MIME. AFAIK, elm doesn't support MIME, |so that is most likely your problem. In any case, maybe it is time for |an upgrade? | |All this happens because the inventors of SMTP didn't think it was |necessary to support 8-bit characters. Sigh. | |Regards, | |/=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= |=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AFT=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= |=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF\ || Rask Ingemann Lambertsen | E-mail: rask@kampsax.dtu.dk = | | || Amiga GNU CC README maintainer | WWW: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c948374= |/ | || Try my finger-WWW gateway at http://www.bbar.dtu.dk/~c948374/f.cgi = | | || Keyboard error: <Ctrl> and <Alt> are stuck - press <Del> to continue = | | | | |------------------------------ | |Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:52:17 -0700 (PDT) |From: bill@celestial.com (Bill Campbell) |To: CBADET@aol.com |Cc: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |Subject: Re: SAMBA ON SCO |Message-ID: <m0um02r-0007wjC@camco.celestial.com> | |> |>Hello ! |> |>I try to install samba on sco unix 3.2v4.2, but i have some problems t= |o |>compile samba : |> |>i don't have the request file netdb.h. |> |It sounds like you have an SCO release prior to Release 5 and you |don't have either the ODT development system or the TCP/IP development |system so you don't have the sockets libraries and headers. | |We have compiled SAMBA available on ftp.celestial.com : | /pub/sco-ports/unix/samba-1.9.15p8.tar.gz | /pub/sco-ports/unix_3_2v5/samba-1.9.15p8.tar.gz | |The first is for 3.2v4.? and the second for Release 5. | |Bill |-- |INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. |UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 2835 82nd Avenue S.E. S-100 |FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236= |-1676 |URL: http://www.celestial.com/ | |The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. |Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts |to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to |be one of the facts that needs altering. | -- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil" | | |------------------------------ | |Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:02:33 -0400 |From: CBADET@aol.com |To: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |Subject: SAMBA ON SCO UNIX 3.4V4.2 |Message-ID: <960801130233_250568495@emout17.mail.aol.com> | |In a message dated 96-08-01 08:51:29 EDT, you write: | |<< Subj: SAMBA ON SCO | Date: 96-08-01 08:51:29 EDT | From: CBADET |samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |=20 | Hello ! |=20 | I try to install samba on sco unix 3.2v4.2, but i have some problems t= |o |compile samba : |=20 | i don't have the request file netdb.h. |=20 | Can somebody help me ? | thanks. >> | | | |------------------------------ | |Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:36:12 -0400 (EDT) |From: DAVID GAUDINE <davidg@alcor.concordia.ca> |To: rask@kampsax.dtu.dk |Subject: Re: Birddroppings |Message-ID: <199608011736.NAA02188@alcor.concordia.ca> | | |I'm not one of the ones who brought this up before, but just to show yo= |u |exactly what your .signature looks like to me, I've attached it below. |I doubt that this has anything to do with the inventors of SMTP, more l= |ikely |we're not using the same character set. | |----- | |All this happens because the inventors of SMTP didn't think it was |necessary to support 8-bit characters. Sigh. | |Regards, | |/\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\2= |57\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\= |257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257= |\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\257\25= |7 || Rask Ingemann Lambertsen | E-mail: rask@kampsax.dtu.dk = | | || Amiga GNU CC README maintainer | WWW: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c948374= |/ | || Try my finger-WWW gateway at http://www.bbar.dtu.dk/~c948374/f.cgi = | | || Keyboard error: <Ctrl> and <Alt> are stuck - press <Del> to continue = | | | | |------------------------------ | |Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:09:50 +0100 (GMT+0100) |From: Chris Boller <chris@bigscary.demon.co.uk> |To: samba@anu.edu.au |Subject: Samba on linux AND be able to check mail |Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960801210754.236A-100000@bigscary.demon.co.u= |k> | |Hi! | |I've got a WfWg network connected to a linux box which also checks mail= |. |This setup works if in /etc/hosts the name corresponds to the 192.168.x= |.x |address for the local network, but if it's set to 158.152.x.x (for the |dialup mail) the other clients cannot "find" the server. I've scoured |the FAQs but no mention of how to do this - maybe it's common sense :^) |(Mail works when set to the dialin but not for the LAN and vice-versa.) | |All help will be appreciated | |Thanks | |Chris | | | | |------------------------------ | |Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:04:39 -0600 (MDT) |From: Hong Trac <hongt@sa-cgy.valmet.com> |To: samba@arvidsjaur.anu.edu.au |Subject: Max. Number of Clients Per Samba Host |Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9608011635.A2624-0100000@engsun1> | |Hi Samba users, | |I have been using Samba for 8 months and it works great in our environm= |ent. |As our number of clients grows up to 90, many users start experiencing=20 |network connection problems to the samba server. For example, Win95 us= |ers |would get messages like: | | "Connecting H: to \\sambahost\userfiles" | | "The following error occurred while connecting to | \\sambahost\userfiles. | Permanent connection not available. | Do you want to restore this connection the next time you log on?" | |If users select "Yes" and go to "My Computer" to access those "off-line= |" |network drives a few times then they might be re-connected. WinNT user= |s |also get similar symtomps. If all fail then rebooting samba host helps |until the next time. | |I do not recall seeing his problem when we had less than ~ 70 PCs. | |I just wonder if you have seen this in a similar environment. Is 90 |PC clients too many for a samba host (configuration at the end)? | |Thanks in advance for your inputs, | |H Trac | |*** Configuration: | | - One samba host: UltraSparc 1 with Solaris 2.5, 192 MB RAM. | - Samba Version 1.9.15p6, runs as daemon (approx. 90 smbd run | at a given time, server load usually at 0.5 to 1.5) | - Clients: ~ 90 PCs (Win95, WinNT) with Pentium or 486DX33+. | Max. simultaneous clients: 90. | |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D |Hong Trac Valmet Automation (Canada) Ltd. |Network Administrator Calgary, Alberta, Canada. |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | | | |------------------------------ | |End of SAMBA Digest 1013 |************************ |
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