From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 25 16:29:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB57916A4CE for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:29:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from avout3.midco.net (avout3.midco.net [24.220.0.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5463B43D39 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:29:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pmes@bis.midco.net) Received: (qmail 26958 invoked by uid 1009); 25 Apr 2005 16:29:15 -0000 Received: from pmes@bis.midco.net by avout3 by uid 1003 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (f-prot: 4.4.2/3.14.11. Clear:RC:1(24.220.122.106):. Processed in 0.010585 secs); 25 Apr 2005 16:29:15 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: pmes@bis.midco.net via avout3 X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.22 (Clear:RC:1(24.220.122.106):. Processed in 0.010585 secs) Received: from host-106-122-220-24.midco.net (HELO [10.0.0.3]) ([24.220.122.106]) (envelope-sender ) by avout3.midco.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Apr 2005 16:29:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0da2331a2bcd865848709e7c8bbf05b1@bis.midco.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Schultz Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:29:14 -0500 To: current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6 is coming too fast X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:29:16 -0000 On Apr 25, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Danny Braniss wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 08:44:34AM -0600, Scott Long wrote: >>>> No, I'm not going to do it because of lack of knowledge, there are >>>> people who have more experience with it than me. >>>> >>> Well, as I said in another email, switching to GCC 4 just because of >>> dubious "25% faster" (faster at what? compiling? resulting >>> generated >>> code? crashing?) claims in the changelog is not a terribly good >>> reason =-) >> >> 25% faster to compile the code, not running it. > > so that closes the argument! i can do a makeworld in about 25 minutes, > cutting > it down by 6 minutes will not make any real difference > I have a seven year old dual PII 350 machine here, and since the switch to 6-CURRENT I have seen *significant* increases in performance. Great job everyone! That being said, compiling FreeBSD in 25 minutes is exactly what's wrong and in my opinion a big reason the thread was started. Moore's Law is nifty and all but it doesn't help create excellent software. I say all FreeBSD developers should be forcing themselves to run old hardware so they're compelled to write better/faster code. Of course the slow hardware isn't necessary, but it'll prompt coders to go back to the matter at hand instead of just running bad code brute force with massive processors. Pete...