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Date:      Thu, 31 May 2018 20:19:20 +0200
From:      Dimitry Andric <dim@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>, Gary Jennejohn <gljennjohn@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: ``make buildkernel'' fails when /usr/obj is empty
Message-ID:  <7464D18D-2879-4C2A-ADD3-BF84D80940BB@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfozqmA%2BQz77Yu4KDwD0NRH4AJ24XAhE6FuHz_4Ubf60Gg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 31 May 2018, at 20:11, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>=20
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Dimitry Andric <dim@freebsd.org> =
wrote:
> On 31 May 2018, at 18:04, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@MIT.EDU> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 09:58:50AM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote:
> >> On Thu, 31 May 2018 09:52:22 +0200
> >> Gary Jennejohn <gljennjohn@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> > Whatever happened to the "run buildworld or kernel-toolchain before
> > buildkernel" requirement?
>=20
> That is still a requirement, yes.  Otherwise, you might have outdated
> toolchain components are in your /usr/obj.
>=20
> Usually you can get away without doing that, and now that clang is the =
toolchain that's rebuilt (and that's not fast) people try to get away =
with it more and more...

Actually clang doesn't get updated *that* often, but there is a minor
snag that one of llvm's config files =
(lib/clang/include/llvm/Config/config.h)
includes <osreldate.h>, so each time __FreeBSD_version is bumped, quite
a lot of dependencies get triggered...

The version is only used for two checks:

#if __FreeBSD_version >=3D 1000052
/* Define to 1 if you have the `backtrace' function. */
#define HAVE_BACKTRACE TRUE

and:

/* Define to 1 if you have the `futimens' function. */
#if __FreeBSD_version >=3D 1100056
#define HAVE_FUTIMENS 1
#endif

Maybe the first check could be dropped, assuming that backtrace() is
always available, but I'm not sure about futimens().  Is there any
supported version of FreeBSD left that does *not* have it?

-Dimitry


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