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ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.18)[ip: (3.72), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.57), asn: 15169(-1.98), country: US(-0.07)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:02:55 -0000 On 2/18/19 11:06 AM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? >> evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input events= >> like keyboard presses libinput-compatible. > And libinput was created by the Freedesktop Wayland team to create > pressure on OS people to make their systems Wayland-compatible. > >>> I do not need nor what these modules loaded. >> I think removing "option EVDEV_SUPPORT" from your kernel config should= >> disable most of evdev.ko dependencies > Shouldn't the EVDEV_SUPPORT default be off on FreeBSD anyway, as well > as libinput not be part of the standard packages? Evdev with libinput provide things like, multitouch gestures, horizontal scrolling, touchpad support, etc, i.e. functionality that one might expect from a laptop or desktop computer newer than 10 years,=C2=A0 also = for X11. Having it enabled by default doesn't force you to use it but it makes it a whole lot easier for all of those who want to use it. Please try to consider what is the best middle ground for ALL users. If you have a special application for FreeBSD you're probably building your own kernel anyway and it is easy to disable if needed. Most normal (and especially new to FreeBSD) desktop/laptop users use stock kernel and would benefit from having access to this functionality. Cheers > The Freedesktop Wayland team consists of people with the Kay Sievers > mentality, which made Linus Torvalds ban his contributions. They do > not care about the bugs they introduce, forcing others to clean up the > mess they create. > > I'd be glad if FreeBSD would keep clean of following that Wayland fad..= =2E > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg"