From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 2 17:44:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E839646F; Thu, 2 Apr 2015 17:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (unknown [IPv6:2602:d1:b4d6:e600:4261:86ff:fef6:aa2a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B43DB964; Thu, 2 Apr 2015 17:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t32HiYX2058636; Thu, 2 Apr 2015 10:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) To: Eitan Adler , Samuel Cassiba In-Reply-To: References: , From: "Chris H" Subject: Re: Bazaaring the cathedral (Lowering the Barrier to Entry) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 10:44:40 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=fixed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current Current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 17:44:34 -0000 On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 08:20:57 -0700 Samuel Cassiba wrote > Eitan, > > This being posted on April 1 sets off my BS-o-meter, but I'll bite since > it's a topic worth shaving a yak or two over. > > WARNING: there be perceptions and opinions here > > Having been ephemerally associated with FreeBSD since early 4.x, I never .. > Again, I'm pretty sure this is just a April 1 troll, but it's all worth > saying since the topic was brought up. Lowering the barrier to entry is > good, but the act of doing so mustn't come at a detriment to quality. OK. I'll bite... IMHO I believe that the height of the bar, is directly proportionate to the quality of the product. --Chris > > > -Samuel > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > FreeBSD today has a significant problem of attracting new developers. > > The lack of new developers manifests itself in a dearth of driver > > support, inadequate documentation, and trailing third party packages. > > > > One of the key reasons for the lack of people is the high barrier of > > entry to joining the FreeBSD project. While every modern project uses > > git (usually hosted on github), FreeBSD uses self-hosted subversion. > > The use of git goes beyond just the choice of version control. It > > allows for workflows that FreeBSD can't even dream of. The linux > > kernel has no concept of a committer. Instead anyone can clone the > > git tree, build a kernel, and call themselves a Linux distribution. > > > > Our wiki and code review tools are in an even worse position than our > > repository. In order to contribute you need to send an email to > > clusteradm@ and hope they deem you worthy enough of access. The bug > > tracking system is in a better shape but isn't perfect: while any user > > can create an account, their privileges are limited: they can't help > > close out bad PRs, reclassify good ones, or do other generally useful > > work. > > > > To solve this problem I propose a simple solution: self-serve commit > > access. We create a web service on accounts.freebsd.org via which > > users can create themselves a freefall account. In addition to a > > freefall account, the identical username would be created for the wiki > > and phabricator, bugzilla, and any other service we might provide. > > > > This will allow us to quickly gain large number of contributors, who > > will be able to make better progress on our missing features, and > > rectify some of the drawbacks listed above. > > > > Today I hope we turn ourselves from the cathedral into a truly open > > and democratic project! > > > > > > -- > > Eitan Adler > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"