From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 21 14:14:13 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93621558427 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 14:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Walter.von.Entferndt@posteo.net) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dk6kX4KnZz4kP2 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 14:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Walter.von.Entferndt@posteo.net) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CB99160060 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 15:14:09 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1613916849; bh=aYJwHN9E2rsX26ra/DL7kc/XH8wmXUzPw6IxF6ngB5I=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=hb8bxgwvWl5xfj5YIu3SK5rNl/xNcQX/LMPFlrwAEywgs0n7yQMJIEqaLhJ3o7xea gjvkD46gFRilfkuJq6G0U85ogizcEHL+Lc2Xollas+u5oVjEfaLo/sn/ILHcssGGbi w1thqxIp4m7sv0gNQWrcLXJf5urlFiyeQ5S+KBsUhGsk7JW9cL0zW9pRf58ULYsEgE Vx1+IhE6n+yV5k+eZphwxMFQ/WhlfvrTuXmjRUbnB/NBG0cYUtr/nqkxrvactk15pn VO/CH9zKNPQlosVFvfzdHFkT3sDRfkIXnaj57pET00TOjb36ghT8eND+wCnb2v2k46 02F6eppb9HDtA== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Dk6kQ2QK4z6tmL; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 15:14:06 +0100 (CET) From: Walter von Entferndt To: Jerry Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BUG 237666 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 15:13:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1761655.CJpZife00y@t450s.local.lan> X-Face: #$[hC+4[4W*mS3hB&izisyT_#E]^Aq+7Isv`2Tu5q*1~jR@&['74B>Ibyrk]GTJ!j$ NjX=#L2#k2X7OnaaRM_Pd5`>`8OJ3; +I2 References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dk6kX4KnZz4kP2 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=hb8bxgwv; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Walter.von.Entferndt@posteo.net designates 185.67.36.65 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Walter.von.Entferndt@posteo.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.45 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.67.36.0/23]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[185.67.36.65:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[posteo.net,none]; SUBJ_ALL_CAPS(0.75)[10]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[posteo.net:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8495, ipnet:185.67.36.0/23, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[posteo.net:s=2017]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[185.67.36.65:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 14:14:13 -0000 At Sonntag, 21. Februar 2021, 13:00:02 CET, Jerry wrote: > [...] The fact that this bug has existed and not been fixed > for two years certainly does not instill confidence that the FreeBSD > team can maintain a stable product. 1. The bug history contains a few dozens anwers + questions from hps, Konstantin Belousov, & mm, showing they're trying hard to fix it. 2. hps kindly offered to ship a machine to him which has this bug, so that he can investigate; _this_was_denied_. 3. The wizzards can only fix what they can debug appropiately; their work is mostly completely voluntary; in contrast, other OS incl. Linux have hundredth of engineers on their payroll. AFAIK there's only one manufacturer who certifies it's mainboards for FreeBSD (supermicro). 4. It is a well known fact that most, if not all, ACPI BIOS/UEFI implementations are buggy, and/or the official specs are ambiguous about some topics. Furthermore, the on-chip USB hub can be buggy. 5. Noone can assert a claim that FreeBSD runs on his/her particular hardware & network combination. 6. Everyone is invited to get a bloody nose & dive into C system programming & DTrace, in order to help integrating new hardware drivers, tweaks, & bug fixes. Regards -- =|o) "Stell' Dir vor es geht und keiner kriegt's hin." (Wolfgang Neuss)