From owner-freebsd-fs Wed Feb 12 21:16:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B1937B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A2343FA3 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1D5GRbD040099 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:16:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1D5GQkY040098 for freebsd-fs@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:16:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:16:26 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is there no JFS? Message-ID: <20030213051626.GI38446@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <3E4A8EF5.1070308@ant.uni-bremen.de> <3E4A9712.8030609@potentialtech.com> <3E4AA331.5040701@ant.uni-bremen.de> <3E4AA734.5040102@potentialtech.com> <045401c2d2db$f9d45c30$0a0aa8c0@dweebsoft.com> <20030212225631.GA10375@HAL9000.homeunix.com> <005801c2d2eb$aa5fae60$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <3E4ADDDE.5040208@pantherdragon.org> <3E4B138F.26E32E75@mindspring.com> <3E4B2433.70301@pantherdragon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E4B2433.70301@pantherdragon.org> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_BE_REMOVED_REPLY,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.43 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 20:50 Darren Pilgrim said 'Who you talkin' to? You talkin' to Darren Pilgrim? I didn't do nuttin'. I said: > Terry Lambert wrote: > >Darren Pilgrim wrote: > >>Not really. A properly laid-out filesystem hierarchy will > >>result in no writes to / (except for installworld/kernel). > >>That removes the problem that journalling addresses, and > >>is probably why softupdates is disabled by default for /. > >>For large, active filesystems, journalling would be a big > >>improvement when you had to run a foreground fsck. > >Soft updates are disable on / by default because of the chicken > >and egg problem of runing tunefs on /. > If that's the problem, then why doesn't sysinstall enable it by > default when partitioning for a new install? I certainly don't remember anthing like that. I do recall reading at one time - and I can't point you to it - that softupdates are not recommended for / If you follow the recommended layouts you really don't now. In the 8-12 systems I maintain my largest / is 130MB while /usr is 115GB [with a 5GB /usr2 where I can stick things] It certainly takes almost no time to fsck / Bill > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message