From owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sat Jun 6 12:44:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A03332CE5 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yvgrebenkin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x336.google.com (mail-ot1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49fK2y3n1lz3XXl for ; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yvgrebenkin@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x336.google.com with SMTP id h7so9910354otr.3 for ; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 05:44:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HoaaBMLOv+I7IyPyOEfO2c1wFpwxDOwMIDu9un77bcg=; b=UFSIhORx5SidJCcj9iHKn3kcDk5MahGEelbCry0K7chAB7pKOvuIkIcO4emBKgWZZO Q9ZElx4cRNrXGXBmKdjw6T45XUy4VikiCRUM+AJe5I88EvyQ0CRN9wkna7ihFw0hxhD1 LcUV0oIfmOArZH//+SSht4QsyQ5Fo1msefitq5LzcpVU+SxFcZO7IrlIYxDaS38mU59E q/MfiGKmADz/2ynx/GvQ3Y44H+TZln5bg9RbS1I+Lkf+Hg/3Y1LfCs3BWYXVqngSEDc6 FoQdYiUOaCkiXuOlthSXJJUAOI0ucQQmI0jei/6EQYC6Pcrb8vp52iwWNufEl4sfusUJ ME8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HoaaBMLOv+I7IyPyOEfO2c1wFpwxDOwMIDu9un77bcg=; b=ZllpJ1uJm2mrrJORsQGbq4WQo/uQ3QOBT7wZe3ojQ5YCEYDrgtMUZvTnmhUwK/6i1E SXNDohenTgVxNM+QwMtygOs87hgfFhLhjamNGDc4Kq+NIBz3h3pDnh3SCAazFWgmwdsL 33nsoksct+qHIxZXeOISMvoAcK0T69RqZEfcLtq/RSIgvMUr23n3aAg63KPTK5gJojJs fKhmTbL0Ihm4I/eT+a70b/l+4WkuQZJWl3VgbB49s5EdsY3jxOugv6pgoPcmr0ZbmTGp b+Z78cvA7rrH6TfEYAFRvVt44PpLb+CvG18tbda6quc8pvCDOa0rSdUgG71DHbb4ZhHy uC5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531I1mYlg+ZLI6cROQGSqdiDD59fGae37JUiuO0pigGinBjUpWmn IHyu1cQZt3VlTIpZE9f+EK3INVG3vbxX1ORfcKU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxmt9l5Uyb/Q5Rn0Va6gFc9PA0xnjkguIxT3Ho6hlzPn2zXuRGqkxBEl5IFwsJaH9+dxobtl87sxfDXnX9rr/0= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:2965:: with SMTP id d92mr11091656otb.350.1591447465254; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 05:44:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200605104036.6df59f84@utnubu> <20200606120821.1736e765@utnubu> In-Reply-To: <20200606120821.1736e765@utnubu> From: Yury Grebenkin Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 15:43:52 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why I support BSD software To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49fK2y3n1lz3XXl X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=UFSIhORx; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yvgrebenkin@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::336 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yvgrebenkin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.013]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-chat@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::336:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.14)[-0.136]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[zoho.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 12:44:27 -0000 On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:08 PM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat wrote: > It's bogus. It neither satisfies a good description of the pros and cons > of FreeBSD, neither of Linux. I do not compare operating systems or licenses according to their "betterness". Pros and cons is a subjective matter. And the list of them is boring. I point at some peculiarities that I sense presence of. I would like people to make their own thinking. I am not in love with BSD derived operating systems. I see things in GNU userland and Linux that adhere to Unix philosophy more than in BSD (as of today) and that is beautiful. According to the subject of the article I am free to write about my reasons. And it should not make a problem if my reasons are of different importance for different people. So, I still welcome people to say a word. Thanks a lot, Ralf. -- Yury https://yvgrebenkin.wordpress.com/