From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 22 18:43:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D3A37B401 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from df-inet1.exchange.microsoft.com (df-inet1.exchange.microsoft.com [131.107.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AD243EE6 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:43:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a-chrisf@exchange.microsoft.com) Received: from DF-YURI.platinum.corp.microsoft.com ([10.197.0.60]) by df-inet1.exchange.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5255); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:44:20 -0800 Received: from DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.4.14]) by DF-YURI.platinum.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3718.0); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:43:44 -0800 Received: from 10.197.0.48 by DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:43:44 -0800 Received: from DF-BEG.platinum.corp.microsoft.com ([10.197.0.83]) by DF-STIMPY.platinum.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3718.0); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:43:43 -0800 Received: from df-muttley.platinum.corp.microsoft.com ([10.197.1.66]) by DF-BEG.platinum.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:43:43 -0800 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: BSD or Linux? MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:43:43 -0800 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=SHA1; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2A9EA.0E095810" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6318.0 Message-ID: <0A0B36F65A314D4AB8D2CF1D1FD835F1014058EB@df-muttley.dogfood> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: BSD or Linux? Thread-Index: AcKqKOztUWbwDusnSieGhZpxjTSVWgAA7FaQ From: "Chris Fox (Excell Data Corporation)" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2002 02:43:43.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BB54530:01C2AA2D] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2A9EA.0E095810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: John Murphy [mailto:jfm@blueyonder.co.uk]=20 >Absolutely Not deliberately inscrutable. How can it be when it's open source? As for barriers, may you never have to try to recover someone's precious files from a machine running windows 2k with what thankfully turned out to be failing DDR memory. It was the abysmal recovery toolset on the install CD I was horrified by. Had I not found the fault I would probably have fitted a FreeBSD HD next :) Since this thread is probably off-topic anyway I don't want to keep it going, but I do want to say that this constant bashing of Windows is most "off-putting" and I can tell you from personal experience that I would have gotten into UNIX at least five years and probably ten years before I did were it not for the condecending crap I got over the years for being a Windows programmer. =20 But the deliberate inscrutability of UNIX isn't something I made up, I've had people brag to me about it, as though having to learn a different command set for every application or utility represents some sort of strength. I totally approve of keeping the morons away from computers but making things deliberately cryptic also drives away bright people who come to regard the whole thing as amateurish. 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