Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:08:28 -0500 From: Kelly Hendrix <kelly@compuage.com> To: Joe & Fhe Barbish <barbish@a1poweruser.com> Cc: James Buchanan <gnudev@ozemail.com.au>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Software on FreeBSD (Has FBSD4.4 grown up yet) Message-ID: <20011111200828.A43740@www.kellyhendrix.com> In-Reply-To: <LPBBIGIAAKKEOEJOLEGOAEFPCGAA.barbish@a1poweruser.com>; from barbish@a1poweruser.com on Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 11:06:34AM -0500 References: <3BEEA27F.C30FD33F@ozemail.com.au> <LPBBIGIAAKKEOEJOLEGOAEFPCGAA.barbish@a1poweruser.com>
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I might be feeding the trolls, but . . . On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 11:06:34AM -0500, Joe & Fhe Barbish wrote: > To answer the general intent of your questions, NO FBSD has not grown up > yet. It is just like all the other Unix like operating systems. Full of > non-logical command names left over from the beginning. Hmmm... I always thought the names were rather intuitive myself. > FBSD does not have access to most internal modems because there are no > drivers available for the majority of the modems on the market, this is also > true for all Unix like systems. The only modems I've ever had problems with are the winmodems, and I've had problems installing them on certain versions of Windows, let alone Unix or Linux. Currently, there is support for some winmodems available. > Bottom line FBSD is a learning playground, that you will have to work hard > to gain a understanding of what is going on. If you're a newbie, yes, I consider this statement to be true. > For a newbe with out any prier Unix background, 200 hours for bare > bones out of the box, I'm thinking it took me less than 12. 5-6 hrs for research: going to websites, doing a lot of reading on Freebsd and the different versions of Linux. 1-2 hrs creating a partition on my Windows drive. I had a slow computer back then (P-75), so I think the install actually took about 3 hrs. And, about an hour on the post install. Maybe not even that long, since I really didn't know what to do once FreeBSD was installed. That was a barebones system, with no X, no www, and no networking installed. > and 1500 hours for full system with mail, www, desktop, firewall, and IP to > local PC with access to internet. I think it depends on motivation. It takes a good amount of time just to familiarize yourself with the basics of a Unix operating system, and for me in particular, learning to run everything from a command line. If you were exclusively a Windows user before installing Freebsd, I'd say it'd take you 75-100 hrs to become comfortable with the commands and how to install software, and 5-10 hrs implementing/researching each of the things you mention here. > You are on your own when it comes to technical support, this mailing list is > very slow at producing results some times. If you ask a well formed question, and give as much information as possible about the problem you're having, usually someone will answer or at least try to help. However, since this is "Free" BSD, no one is obligated to answer your question. > If you are comparing FBSD to Redhat, there is no comparison, redhat > is head and shoulders above FBSD when it comes to ease of use. Stick with > redhat. The only thing I will give to Linux over FreeBSD is that sometimes they are a bit faster to support some of the newer hardware. (Winmodems and certain DVD drives come to mind) Since I've never used Redhat (Slackware is the only Linux distribution I've ever used), I can't really comment on the ease of use. > The cheapest way to start with FBSD is to download the FBSD 4.4 handbook > from the FBSD FTP site and then order the single FBSD install cd in the > sleeve from > http://www.bsdcentral.com/catalog/index.php?cat=113&id=CAF1712FD53DB706CF49D > 8C2F693CA79 Actually the cheapest way, if you have a fast internet connection is to download the iso, and burn it yourself. But it's probably worth investing the money in Grey Lehey's "The Complete FreeBSD" to help a newbie get started. > > For $2.95. If the current release is not listed on this web page, then call > the sales phone number to request it. If the current release is for sale in > the jewel case then they also have the single install cd in the sleeve for > $2.95. That is cheap! Kelly Hendrix -- ______________________________________________________________________ | There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a | | miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. | | | | Albert Einstein (1879-1955) | |______________________________________________________________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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