From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 10:40:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E00106566B for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89D78FC12 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q65AeGJP004355; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 12:40:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q65AeF5c004352; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 12:40:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 12:40:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jonathan McKeown In-Reply-To: <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Message-ID: References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 12:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:40:20 -0000 > comparison to Clippy). I don't think suggesting that someone who wants to use > a system learn how it works is elitist; and I don't object to optional tools it is normal way of using any system. And actually possible with FreeBSD In 21 century knowing ANYTHING is elitist anyway ;) > No. I think this is entirely the wrong way round. If the new feature is > created and you want it, turn it on. Don't make me turn off something I Correct. No feature that do something "over the curtain" should be active by default. period.