From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 7 15:48:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC2E15B03D4 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 15:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from colo1.denninger.net (colo1.denninger.net [104.236.120.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50DA17766B for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 15:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from denninger.net (ip68-1-57-197.pn.at.cox.net [68.1.57.197]) by colo1.denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0ED621109D for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 11:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.21.139] (24-180-102-120.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com [24.180.102.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21B0010A464 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 10:47:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: ntpd configutration -- a small suggestion from the peanut gallery To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <48793.1559715528@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20190606171120.29f7fd85@gumby.homeunix.com> <37c862b6-f623-4210-9c77-c404e31f4808@www.fastmail.com> <20190607163631.461dc2b1@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Karl Denninger Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 10:47:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190607163631.461dc2b1@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-512; boundary="------------ms050806000105020403040609" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 50DA17766B X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[px.denninger.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.877,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.61)[ip: (-9.88), ipnet: 104.236.64.0/18(-4.27), asn: 14061(1.13), country: US(-0.06)]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:104.236.64.0/18, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[197.57.1.68.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[denninger.net]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:48:31 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050806000105020403040609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/7/2019 10:36 AM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 10:57:01 +0200 > Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019, at 18:14, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 08:40:51 +0200 (CEST) >>> Trond Endrest=C3=B8l wrote: >>> =20 >>>> On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:18-0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >>>> =20 >>>>> I feel sure that I'll be able to figure out how to get ntpd >>>>> properly enabled & configured, but I would just like to offer, >>>>> hunbly, to the Powers That Be, that it would be Nice if ntpd, >>>>> once enabled during install, just worked, you know, right outta >>>>> the box. >>>> Adding >>>> >>>> ntpd_sync_on_start=3D"YES" >>>> >>>> to /etc/rc.conf is one way. >>> Perhaps it should be the default. >> It is in CURRENT[1] & would be worth MFC although possibly too late >> for 11.3R. > That affects the istaller, but it's still off in defaults/rc.conf. Losing a way to synchronously (with a reasonable timeout) set the time=20 on boot is IMHO a nasty reversion and will bite people hard. There are=20 plenty of things that react VERY poorly to the time going backward;=20 Dovecot is one of the more-popular ones (it EXITS if that happens!) so=20 this sort of change IMHO needs careful consideration or a cold reboot of = a server is likely to lead to services that do not come back up. --=20 -- Karl Denninger /The Market-Ticker/ S/MIME Email accepted and preferred --------------ms050806000105020403040609 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC DdgwggagMIIEiKADAgECAhMA5EiKghDOXrvfxYxjITXYDdhIMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGL MQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECAwHRmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBwwJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkw FwYDVQQKDBBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDMRgwFgYDVQQLDA9DdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgQ0ExITAf BgNVBAMMGEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgMjAxNyBDQTAeFw0xNzA4MTcxNjQyMTdaFw0yNzA4 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