From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 20:50:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75E3B37B405 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 48280 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 03:49:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15558.11108.62426.757483@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:49:56 -0500 To: kudzu@tenebras.com Cc: pjklist@ekahuna.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <3CC6168B.4010809@tenebras.com> References: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> <15557.63103.194310.947011@guru.mired.org> <3CC5FD0E.7020908@tenebras.com> <15558.4697.740506.455174@guru.mired.org> <3CC6168B.4010809@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <3CC6168B.4010809@tenebras.com>, Michael Sierchio typed: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > Right. It was kept out of the base system for licensing reasons. It > > was included because it was decided that ssh was part of a complete > > system, and OpenSSH needs OpenSSL. I'm still looking for an example of > > something that was made part of the system for licensing reasons. > I think you're misreading me -- my point was that the only apparent > barrier to agglommeration of every damn thing in the universe was > the licensing issue -- not that things are included because of > licenses. I think you misspoke, as you said: > The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports > has usually been licensing issues. Which has the relationship the other way. However, I still disagree. The *only* times I've seen things added to the base system was, as I said, 1) when it was decided that the thing in question was required for the system to qualify as "complete", and 2) when the thing in question was required to build the base system. There are still 5000+ applications in ports that aren't part of the base system, and probably never will be. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message