From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 29 14:14:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E459A1569FE9; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:13:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE5C93E83; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:13:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x2TEDuqg033659 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:13:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Mayuresh Kathe cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sending Tcsh to packages/ports ... In-Reply-To: <869a55f05dde045b1947f53ce3c5851f@kathe.in> Message-ID: References: <64780f09d4251b9641e3bca39000ae2d@kathe.in> <869a55f05dde045b1947f53ce3c5851f@kathe.in> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not scanned, disabled by settings X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: not scanned X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 2019/03/27 10:29:33 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.721, bases: 2019/03/29 07:55:00 #9476383 X-KLMS-AntiVirus-Status: Clean, skipped X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1BE5C93E83 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=nber.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of feenberg@nber.org designates 198.71.6.79 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=feenberg@nber.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.07)]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[79.6.71.198.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtp.nber.org]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nber.org,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.714,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26287, ipnet:198.71.6.0/23, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:14:00 -0000 On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > On 2019-03-29 04:59 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: >> >> ed and csh are important for those that use them. I use both, not >> always, but enough to see the importance of keeping them in the OS. >> There is a fallacious style of argument that decodes to "If a is >> better than b, then b is no good and it is a sign of bad character to >> use b". There are many cases where the transition costs of moving to >> different dependencies will be significant, especially for less well >> informed users. > > What if you had access to your preferred tools via packages/ports? I spend a fair amount of time helping people with computers I don't control and often they don't fully control them either. Having basic tools available in the OS allows me to help, even if it isn't the latest and best. I can't (or at least don't want to) install a new editor or shell on their computer, but if I need to modify fstab. ed is there, I can always use that - even if the terminal is wonky. Daniel Feenberg > > ~Mayuresh >