From nobody Sat Apr 25 05:36:59 2026 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4g2dqQ2f6qz6ZnbC for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2026 05:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from fc.opsec.eu (fc.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200:4::4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4g2dqP4Bjrz3QmB for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2026 05:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from pi (uid 104) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) id 34363 by fc.opsec.eu (DragonFly Mail Agent v0.13+ on fc.opsec.eu); Sat, 25 Apr 2026 07:36:59 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2026 07:36:59 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Charles Sprickman Cc: stable@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] stable/15: new base packages for PAM, zstd Message-ID: References: <3847a70c-f2d8-4c4a-a5f0-56a4a90168b0@yahoo.com> <700c882a-ae24-403a-a8e0-5ceffed569ae@yahoo.com> <5019E502-8951-40E0-881C-9E08B3732308@bway.net> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5019E502-8951-40E0-881C-9E08B3732308@bway.net> X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12502, ipnet:2001:14f8::/32, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4g2dqP4Bjrz3QmB X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Hi! > Where is the definitive documentation for pkgbase, conversion to > same, and I guess really a general overview of what it is and "why"? I collected the following links, also those just mentioned from vermaden@ https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/book/#pkgbase https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/pkgbasify https://wiki.freebsd.org/action/show/pkgbase > On documentation in general, I am perhaps a weirdo about this, > but many times I can't quite wrap my head around something until I > have the "why" of it - then things generally fall into place really > quickly for me... >From what I've learned, initial installation of 'base' from packages is roughly the same as before, but *updates* are easier to handle. If you look at the freebsd-update script, the run time to find which files need to be updated etc was always resource-intensive. With a base system seperated in packages, the code from pkg which allows to decide which pkg to update can be used. I have no insight in the backend of freebsd-update, maybe Colin can describe the pros and cons from that side ? -- pi@FreeBSD.org +49 171 3101372 Now what ?