From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Apr 22 4:50:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A532B37B422 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3MBo4x24386; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104221150.f3MBo4x24386@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Subject: RE: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home and from work Reply-To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR misc/26744; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Riccardo Torrini" , Cc: "Kris Kennaway" , "Szilveszter Adam" Subject: RE: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home and from work Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:44:48 -0700 >-----Original Message----- >From: Riccardo Torrini [mailto:riccardo@torrini.org] >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 3:47 AM >To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org >Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; Kris Kennaway; Szilveszter Adam >Subject: Re: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home >and from work > > >Thanks to all who take time to answer my PR. >The only thing I don't understand is: why you think is >more important (to try to) block spam instead of solve >my (and not only my) problems? > Because a lot of people on this list are admins at commercial locations and are in charge of mailservers. Once you take a few calls from people like the 45-year-old, fundamentalist Christian, home-schooler, stay-at-home mother of three who's 13 year old son is showing her how to read e-mail and she clicks on a message which opens to show Luscious Lucy with her feet up in the air and spread wide, well you might get a sense of how much of a problem that spam causes for us. >I send a lot of PR and I hope they may help all of us, >but this was the one with the faster feedback. Bad :( > Yes, it's very bad that people exist in the world who think it's their God-given right to stuff our e-mail mailboxes with all manner of baldness cure advertisements, or penile enlarger advertisements. > >> ...both forward and reverse resolvable in the DNS, and >> in addition those resolutions must be symmectrical... > >Yeah. Great idea. So I can send trash mail to any mail >server if I use a dialup line and configure my machine as >"dialup-foo-bar-42.myisp.example.org" (the same as the >reverse) and cannot send mail from the _STATIC_ _IP_ (was >a cost option to me) that Italian RIPE never reverse? That is correct - however keep in mind that MAPS has a Dial Up User List in place and the entire subnet that your ISP is using for dialup _may_ already be listed in there - which will make the change-my-hostname-to-the-dynamic-one trick not work. >Asked for this problem RIPE told me that reverse with be >removed within some years ahead. :-? > Then it's pretty clear who you should be arguing with, and it isn't us. >Or because my work ISP (the biggest here in Italy) is badly >configured and has different IP from forward to reverse in >his DNS? And in your opinion why I'd continue to send-pr? > And in my opinion why would your work continue to pay money for service from an ISP that was that technically daft? > >> ...assuming that your ISP's master mailserver is named... > >Try the real thing: my ISP has his mailserver open to my >static range of IP from work. Using /etc/mail/mailertable >I forced mail for FreeBSD.org to him but failed again. >And now I know why: it break the 2nd rule (symmectrical). > ># host mail.cs.interbusiness.it >mail.cs.interbusiness.it has address 151.99.250.122 > ># host 151.99.250.122 >Host not found. > ># host 151.99.250.6 >6.250.99.151.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer mail.cs.interbusiness.it > > >> spool all outgoing e-mail through your ISP's mailserver > >And loose all my mail in a black hole? Why? No, thanks. > Then find a beter mailserver out there and spool through that one. There's plenty of them. > >> "I have my gun and I own this house and I can do whatever the >> hell I want in it." > >Not whatever, only avoid badly configured ISP, like mine. > step #1 - don't pay for service from an ISP like that. > >> "Line up or Get lost!" approach taken by OpenBSD. > >You lost. Lost my help. Sorry, but I have only a few free >time and cannot loose it with web interface. > Then pay for a shell account on an ISP and do mailing from it. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message