Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:30:41 -0600 From: Joseph a Nagy Jr <jnagyjr1978@gmail.com> To: Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com> Cc: FreeBSD Ports <ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Users Handbook Message-ID: <50A66A31.60608@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAF6rxg=s66um0LFM-mQe-y2W_vSa2-UcGzxJfpn40Dshx713Aw@mail.gmail.com> References: <50A64F69.30607@gmail.com> <CAF6rxg=s66um0LFM-mQe-y2W_vSa2-UcGzxJfpn40Dshx713Aw@mail.gmail.com>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB37D5B361BF374998E8F60A7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060607050502000203070109" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060607050502000203070109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/16/12 09:29, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 16 November 2012 09:36, Joseph a Nagy Jr <jnagyjr1978@gmail.com> wro= te: >> I'm tired of getting the third degree on irc because of this even thou= gh >> it's not something I have control over. >> >> When I point someone to the User's handbook for using svn[0] instead o= f >> portsnap, I always seem to receive flack that the handbook points user= s >> to checkout on the central svn repo. I can see the wisdom in using a >> mirror, but I cannot fix the handbook and am frankly tired of being >> yelled at. Please fix this. >=20 > There is nothing wrong with using the central SVN server - it can > handle the load. > Use of a mirror is more for reduced latency on the downloader's part. >=20 >=20 Not according to the folks on ##freebsd, and I quote: Nov 16 08:15:31 <jimmiejaz> gah, portsnap appears still busted :( Nov 16 08:15:58 <AlexNagy> jimmiejaz: use svn (: Nov 16 08:16:26 <jimmiejaz> I'd rather not mix-match Nov 16 08:18:14 * villy has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) Nov 16 08:18:34 <AlexNagy> jimmiejaz: so don't? rm -rf /usr/ports; svn checkout /usr/ports Nov 16 08:20:10 <AlexNagy> then svn update afterwards, that way all that is downloaded is what is actually updated. Nov 16 08:22:24 * dial_up has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Nov 16 08:23:24 <frogs> you can save more space by removing debug from kernel Nov 16 08:23:45 <toropisco> Just don't use svn.freebsd.org. It is rate limited and where the devs work. Rather use a read-only mirror. Nov 16 08:24:16 <AlexNagy> toropisco: that needs to be noted in the handbook, then. Nov 16 08:24:22 <jimmiejaz> when svn is in the base system, I'll use it. Nov 16 08:24:34 * MiX-MaN has quit (Excess Flood) Nov 16 08:24:43 <AlexNagy> jimmiejaz: whatever. Nov 16 08:24:52 <toropisco> AlexNagy: it is there. I just don't have it bookmarked. Nov 16 08:25:38 <AlexNagy> toropisco: no, it's not. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.htm= l Nov 16 08:25:42 <ljvb> AlexNagy http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/committers-guide/subversion-primer= =2Ehtml Nov 16 08:25:47 <ljvb> its in the book Nov 16 08:25:49 <AlexNagy> # svn checkout svn://svn.FreeBSD.org/ports/head /usr/ports Nov 16 08:25:49 <ljvb> sorta Nov 16 08:25:52 <toropisco> Here it is http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en//books/handbook/mirrors-svn.html Nov 16 08:25:59 <toropisco> AlexNagy: DON'T Nov 16 08:26:10 <toropisco> AlexNagy: Use the mirrors in the page I mentioned. Nov 16 08:26:43 <AlexNagy> toropisco: All I said is that the handbook needs to be updated to reflect using an ro mirror. Nov 16 08:26:54 * dial_up (~dial_up@177.147.70.163) has joined ##freebsd Nov 16 08:26:55 * MiX-MaN (~MiX-MaN@chat.coffeenet.ORG) has joined ##free= bsd Nov 16 08:27:22 <AlexNagy> I did, however, use the above mirror on checkout, but I don't specify a mirror to use for updates. Not sure if that matters. Nov 16 08:27:30 * lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@005033152135.mbb.telenor.dk) has joined ##freebsd Nov 16 08:27:55 <toropisco> AlexNagy: Better use a mirror. The central svn server should be left alone so the devs can work at ease. Nov 16 08:28:20 <AlexNagy> toropisco: fine, I'll specify a mirror in my cronjob, but the handbook should be updated. Nov 16 08:28:34 * toropisco knows how frustrating it is to have an overloaded svn server. Not fun. At all. Nov 16 08:28:56 <toropisco> AlexNagy: Take it to the devs. You'll have more luck in the forums or the mailing lists. Nov 16 08:29:53 * DarkUranium (~quassel@77.38.77.88) has joined ##freebsd= Nov 16 08:29:54 <AlexNagy> ljvb: I don't read the committers book because I'm not a committer. // toropisco: then why argue with me? I mean seriously. It was stupid. The User's handbook points to the central repo, not my fault. Nov 16 08:29:55 <toropisco> Especially the mailing lists. That's where the real actionis. I can handle getting ripped a new one for something that is my fault, but if this is how the central repo is generally viewed and anyone who suggest following the handbook example is going to get ripped because of it, it's not really user-friendly. --=20 Yours in Christ, Joseph A Nagy Jr "Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid." -- Proverbs 12:1 Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. 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