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Date:      Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:30:17 -0700
From:      Darcy Buskermolen <darcy@ok-connect.com>
To:        freebsd-ipfw@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: 4.1.1 Kernel ipfw, brought to its knees
Message-ID:  <3.0.32.20001003103017.019e19f0@mail.ok-connect.com>

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Try the same test without log_in_vain turned on. You may be trying to
trouble shoot 2 problems in one, I've had bad experances with syslog and
heave load in the past.




At 12:14 PM 10/3/00 -0400, Forrest Aldrich wrote:
>The nmap scan was a basic nmap ping.  No options.
>
>Yes, the scan was local (on our LAN 100mbit).  Nothing special was running 
>on this machine, other than packet filters and appropriate kernel config 
>options.  It was just installed (FreeBSD-4.1.1) yesterday from the releng4 
>server snapshot archive, and cvsup'd.
>
>The only errors I saw generated in the log were that from tcp_log_in_vain 
>setting.  Glad I had at least that set, so I could know what was going 
>on.   I also noted many syslogd -s processes running at one point, and I 
>tried killing those off to see if that would help.  It just got worse.
>
>We performed this as a "qa" test, to see how FreeBSD would stand up to an 
>attack, without third-party utilities.
>
>Unusable means, the system froze... literally.  I couldn't get any prompt 
>response, no connections, nothing.
>
>So, given that we're using FreeBSD on our infrastructure, we're very 
>concerned about this.
>
>We were experimenting with the rc.firewall config, as some of the options 
>were new (the dns update acl, for example).  We did run into some weird 
>problems (and it's probably configuration error on our part) with regard to 
>connectivity.
>
>I'm attaching, for this named machine, the KERNEL config and the 
>/etc/rc.firewall config for your persual.  Input or suggestions about the 
>config would be welcomed.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>_F
>
>
>
>
>At 11:31 PM 10/2/2000 -0700, Crist J . Clark wrote:
>>On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 03:47:40PM -0400, Forrest Aldrich wrote:
>> > I was working with our security person here at work, with my ipfw
>> > config.  I ran into some problems, which I'm still trying to figure out.
>> >
>> > So, he offered to at least scan the machine.   He did a basic nmap
scan...
>> > brought the machine to its knees.  I had ICMP bandwidth limitation
>> > enabled.  All except the RST (which isn't recommended for web servers).
>> >
>> > The machine is rendered unusable.   I've never seen this happen to a
>> > FreeBSD box.  Our 2.2.8 systems withstand this better than this.
>> >
>> > ?
>>
>>I agree: ?
>>
>>What type of nmap scan? Was the scan local? What type of connection to
>>the ROW do you have? What was running on the machine when the scan was
>>run? What does "unusable" mean? Were any errors generated?
>>
>>Do you have a specific question?
>>--
>>Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.edu
>
>Attachment Converted: "C:\Program Files\Eudora32\attach\forrienet"
>
>Attachment Converted: "C:\Program Files\Eudora32\attach\rc1.fir"
>


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