From owner-freebsd-arch Sun Jul 14 6:33:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA00537B400 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 06:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE3E43E4A for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 06:33:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (#6@localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6EDXj0L031673; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:33:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <200207141333.g6EDXj0L031673@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Thomas Seck Cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG X-Image-URL: http://www.transsys.com/louie/images/louie-mail.jpg From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Package system flaws? References: <3D27A296.D58FB4B4@softweyr.com> <20020712121427.GD3678@lummux.tchpc.tcd.ie> <20020712144854.GA756@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20020713054141.A26277@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20020713011750.GA755@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20020714042237.GD931@lizzy.catnook.com> <20020714042623.GB95460@squall.waterspout.com> <20020714095939.GA588@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:59:39 +0200." <20020714095939.GA588@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:33:45 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > * Will Andrews (will@csociety.org): > > > The people who do the work should do it the best way they can. > > Or, with a volunteer twist, the most enjoyable way they can. > > Agreed. But portupgrade(1) is somewhat special, because it is the only > way you can keep your locally installed packages up to date without > thrashing your pkg db. It thus does the work that the pkg_* tools and > the ports system should have been doing. People ask regularly why the > tools of the sysutils/portupgrade port are not part of the base system. > With them being written in anything else than C{,++}, sed, awk or sh > this is impossible. If you've decided to install optional software on your system using the ports mechanism, then it doesn't seem too extreme a requirement that you install a port or package to maintain your ports/packages. cvsup isn't in the base system, but we manage to use it to keep both the base system and ports up to date. I suspect the only result of an attempt to re-write sysutils/portupgrade in a different language will be that the current developer of that tool will disappear. I suspect he chose his implementation lanaguge for a reason. Do you want the tool and developer, or a version in awk/sed/C? louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message