From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Dec 20 17:39:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78409E98670 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell1.rawbw.com (shell1.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641F97903C for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from yv.noip.me (c-24-6-186-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.186.56]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id vBKHd3eK068379 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:39:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host c-24-6-186-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.186.56] claimed to be yv.noip.me Subject: Re: Vote: making wayland=on default To: Johannes Lundberg , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: From: Yuri Message-ID: <3267de19-6e00-a72a-e2a7-abb322ccf7ac@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:39:02 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:39:10 -0000 On 12/20/17 01:20, Johannes Lundberg wrote: > For any Desktop user (as well as embedded devices > like IVI-systems and whatnot), Wayland is the future. There's no > escaping that. Over the history of its development, Wayland could never clearly answer the question "What are the benefits of Wayland for the end user?". Additionally, they always advocated the removal of features like networked connections, window manager features. It appears that this is the case of fixing of something (xorg) that wasn't/isn't broken in the first place. And if it is considered broken, then how, in which way? But you are right, it is a reality that Wayand devs had enough horsepower to eventually, after many years, make it and now impose it on everybody, and force it to be a future reality. There are a lot of things that need to be verified that they work: x11vnc, the ability to connect to a display remotely, every window manager should work with it, ex. xfce4, dwm. People should be asking the question "What's the benefit of the transition to X?". The answer should include the functional benefits to users, not just "We need to switch to something called X." What new features or improvements will users actually see? Just my 2c. Yuri