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Subject: Re: rcs is gone?
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On 2013-10-07, at 2:53 PM, David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

> Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your =
systems, without any of your own code or any customisation?

We install from the base release ISO images burned on DVDs.

We are physically air-gapped from the internet, none of the "end users" =
of the system have access to USB ports, and there are no electronic =
devices allowed into the development shop.

We have a scheme for bringing in software from /usr/ports, but it is =
painful.  And those ports can't necessarily walk on to all the systems =
in the shop.  (I don't make the rules.  Suffice to say the company is =
very paranoid about their code getting out into the wild.)

Having RCS in the base system is very useful.  We use it to track =
changes to bits of /etc on the machines where we don't do wholesale =
customizations.  (Those ones get git, but they also get an install of =
/usr/ports with a fully populated /usr/ports/distfiles.)

So if nuking RCS is a case of "I don't use it," ... we do.