From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Oct 25 16:21:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06D1714BD3 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:21:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 19931 invoked from network); 25 Oct 1999 23:21:20 -0000 Received: from useraf54.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.132.41) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 1999 23:21:20 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id AAA02678; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:22:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:22:05 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Michael Grommet Cc: "'CKimmerl@SARCOM.COM'" , "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: "easy installation"!!!!! yeah right Message-ID: <19991026002205.C316@marder-1> References: <7011ACE3864AD31183E50008C7FA081F01D52D@ISIMAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <7011ACE3864AD31183E50008C7FA081F01D52D@ISIMAIN> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 10:51:53AM -0500, Michael Grommet wrote: > Ok, so let me get this straight... > > you insult the group, the OS, and one of the most respected members of the > group, and > you expect help in return? > > BSD/Linux takes a spirit for adventure. If you don't have this, go back to > your windows software > as you will not be happy with either one. > > Unix and unix-like operating systems will require you to actually learn how > things work and why. > You will be rewarded by added stability, speed, and most of all, the > satisfaction that you are wiser for the experience. > Don't forget the first-class free support from -questions; where you will get more help than "Try re-booting, and if that doesn't work, re-install the OS" which is what you get from commercial support :^). > If you are the type of person who is interested in this arrangement, then > feel free to post intelligent,non-belligerent questions to this list and you > might be suprised at how friendly and helpful people can really be, > especially when they have a genuine love for the operating system. > > If not, then thats fine too. > > However, I believe you owe the group, and Greg especially, a very sincere > apology. > > > > Mike Grommet > Unix Systems Admin / Web Developer > Internet Solutions, Inc. > mgrommet@insolwwb.net > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of > CKimmerl@SARCOM.COM > Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 10:31 AM > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: "easy installation"!!!!! yeah right > > > You people are so far into this stuff that you don't know what "easy" means > anymore. I tried to install FreeBSD 3.3 last night. It was the most > difficult install I've ever seen. Problems? How would I know- I never knew > what it was doing. It installed, I just didn't know what. It is so geared > towards unix experienced geeks that a person unfamiliar with Unix is totally > lost. Microsoftcopy sucks but they've got no competition from unix yet. No > one can understand it and unix people can't make it understandable. I > picked stuff from the menu, but the interface sucked so bad I wasn't sure > what I had installed. I was so pissed that I erased it. I chose FreeBSD > over Linux because it is supposed to be more stable, but only a hacker geek > can install this OS. I'll try Linux, maybe it will be more easily > understood. Greg Lehay's book was useless- it was so far up in geek land it > was amazing. Of course, what can you expect from a guy who speaks 3 > languages and went to school for chemistry, etc. He can't write beginner > books, that's for sure. Throughout the entire installation I found myself > wondering how anybody figures this shit out. I'd appreciate any "PRACTICAL" > help as I do not want to give up on FreeBSD. > > Sincerely, > -ChadK > chadk@freewwweb.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message