From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 3 18:45:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A6216A456 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FA143D76 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:45:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FE31A4E04; Wed, 3 May 2006 11:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 00C91518DD; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:45:44 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Pavel Merdine Message-ID: <20060503184544.GB31172@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20060502193900.GA94069@peter.osted.lan> <1541458526.20060503003229@merdin.com> <20060502221306.GD95348@xor.obsecurity.org> <213965528.20060503140355@merdin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WhfpMioaduB5tiZL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <213965528.20060503140355@merdin.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Stress testing the UFS2 filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:45:52 -0000 --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 02:03:55PM +0400, Pavel Merdine wrote: > Hello , >=20 >=20 >=20 > Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 2:13:07 AM, you wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:32:29AM +0400, Pavel Merdine wrote: > >> Hello , > >>=20 > >> Thank you for raising this problem again. I already tried to do that > >> in that list, but received an answer that kernel is intended to do > >> that. For example, you have a faulty disk. And you have a faulty > >> sector which happened to occur on the directory place. So each time > >> kernel reads this sector it panics. So it's initially hard to even > >> understand what happens. And also it leads to corruption and lost > >> files on other file system (each time). Imagine if you have 15 disks. > >> In this case you have many files lost just because of a small (and not > >> significant) fault. It's just a nonsense. > >> Personally, I just replaced bad_dir with error return. > >> By the way, there was some bug in fs in kernel that could lead to > >> panic even on clean filesystem (bad_dir as far as I remember). It is > >> very rare and it was fixed on DragonFly. As far as I remember a fix > >> for this was also commited to current recently. > >>=20 > >> I think that Linux is usually much smarter on this. By default it > >> remounts a file system as read-only in case it detects a filesystem > >> corruption. I would be very happy if FreeBSD could do the same, > >> because fs panics really hurt when you have many systems with disks. > >>=20 > >> Of course I think we could do patches to overcome corrupting panics, > >> but the core FreeBSD team would not accept this, as they are happy > >> with panics and corruptions they make to other filesystems. >=20 > > Of course not, don't make silly accusations :-) > > The problem is much more difficult to solve than "making the panic an > > error return". >=20 > I think that is you who call me silly. I did not mean what you wrote. > Where did I say that? I just said I made an error return for myself. And you accused the "core FreeBSD team" of being happy with panics and filesystem corruption. That's a ridiculous accusation, so you are treated with ridicule for saying it. Kris --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEWPpXWry0BWjoQKURAhZ7AJ9na9iet+7DsbhOB0SuhpmAbduaTgCZAdKu f7nn37Pf0Ssz2TpkzbBXeUM= =dSxH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL--