From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 19 14:30:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA10D10656B5 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grazzolini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8666E8FC0C for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grazzolini@gmail.com) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so2540908gxk.19 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:30:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:date:from :reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oUwXmvQIlbAEjJK/0a05KATx/eWlCLp89ZiSJHOxzhU=; b=lt/Vfked+IdxHDSCyfRsOXA4l/GLAUw+5AGO8AJybe1MDpOXhHLvCge3DoOIfxPNLW EQJTMCOxPkoFZjaEu22vPCYpq7PCRDu281pGrnkt+4cNYffUv611uIRozjh0Yc4Apzuj KapA5hELCOLgDje0UMEaudTN/O4/y2fj4Sbi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=pQ9gzvnZFIBPAZ5wcyDYU/lEnhvVRw0MMQ12R4X/dQJlfkHaIKepTcdxomtOcJ52cZ DTArc5OWcf9CGrqoMFZ2qxySMUtj11GQF4Xgxa3p97bLzVcsjJQniK/VZS/eLwwAiBuK cgi2KHhJVmLxr/AKmITD2apjbvxGnhUVUOmBQ= Received: by 10.90.70.15 with SMTP id s15mr2184252aga.61.1245420078622; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? (201-25-170-110.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [201.25.170.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm4548748agd.77.2009.06.19.07.01.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Giancarlo Razzolini Message-ID: <4A3B9A2A.3090908@onda.com.br> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:01:14 -0300 From: Giancarlo Razzolini User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090409) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michal References: <735E59909DEB44AF92825EA7C65CF430@ionicoffice.ionic.co.uk> <00265389C30B444288C246DF37651D0C249024DD1B@server-02.playsafesa.com> <6101e8c40906190408h5b6a4496td12e2b9e4872459e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: misc@openbsd.org, demuel@thephinix.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open Vs Free BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: linux-fan@onda.com.br List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:30:29 -0000 Michal escreveu: > It wasn't an argument or a versus anything. It was just a question relating > to what he had said and the truth in it and the two OS's being used for > different reasons. That's all. No rage, no debate or looking for any winner! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-misc@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-misc@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of > demuel@thephinix.org > Sent: 19 June 2009 12:42 > To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: Open Vs Free BSD > > Oh why can't this versus this versus that never dies? There had been > raging debate about which OSes is much better compared to the others since > time immemorial. Sure, each one has its own merits over the others and > vice versa. So why feeding this issue up since up to this very moment, > there is no winner. > > >> and the security is in netbsd: >> >> http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?security+8+NetBSD-5.0 >> http://www.netbsd.org/~elad/recent/recent06.pdf >> >> On 6/19/09, Ivan Voras wrote: >> >>> Kim Attree wrote: >>> >>> >>>> NetBSD runs on just about anything. That's it's primary goal. Since I >>>> don't >>>> have any weird hardware, I've never had a use for NetBSD. >>>> >>> I don't use NetBSD either but some recent development that come from >>> that camp are very interesting: >>> >>> * Journalling UFS ("smart" journalling, not gjournal) >>> * PUFFS (BSD implementation of FUSE-like system [file system in >>> userland]) >>> * They had Xen dom0 and domU for years >>> * They are starting to show decent results in SMP support, including a >>> new scheduler (a bit similar to ULE); their GENERIC has SMP included >>> * Possibly superpages, I'm not sure how to parse "Merged amd64 and i386 >>> pmap. Large pages are always used if available" >>> * I think they are working on their own ZFS port >>> * They have ported or reimplemented Linux LVM (read+write+admin) >>> >>> There are of course other things; see for example >>> http://www.netbsd.org/releases/formal-5/NetBSD-5.0.html >>> >>> I have a feeling the project has been revitalized in the last few years. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> > > > The words you chose from the subject to the bottom of your e-mail, were the wrong ones "Open Vs Free BSD" for me, and for most here, is literally OpenBSD versus FreeBSD. The answer is: There is winner. The reason I started using OpenBSD is a very personal one, and it generally is for most of us here. Even in business the decisions are often made with the heart. So, you've got to try. I would never use OpenBSD in my laptop, because it doesn't do everything i need on my laptop. The same way i would never use ubuntu on my firewall, because it won't do neither. My 2 cents, -- Giancarlo Razzolini http://lock.razzolini.adm.br Linux User 172199 Red Hat Certified Engineer no:804006389722501 Verify:https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/current/ Moleque Sem Conteudo Numero #002 OpenBSD 4.5 Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope 4386 2A6F FFD4 4D5F 5842 6EA0 7ABE BBAB 9C0E 6B85