From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 00:49:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C31716A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:49:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D28DB43D2D for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:49:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (krinklyfig@pacbell.net@64.173.25.106 with plain) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 00:49:48 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:49:47 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41AA785C.5020304@math.missouri.edu> <41AB9006.2040303@gmx.net> <41ABA0D9.3090106@jim-liesl.org> In-Reply-To: <41ABA0D9.3090106@jim-liesl.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200411291649.47913.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beastie X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:49:49 -0000 On Monday 29 November 2004 02:21 pm, secmgr wrote: > Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > Hanspeter Roth wrote: > >> The problem here is, that the Beastie picture is disabled by > >> default. This is obviously not compatible with the majority of > >> people. > > > > You're not up-to-date with the latest events, the beasty menu was > > completely nuked from CVS yesterday after the most recent > > complaints and we're now stuck again with the plain old loader > > prompt. > > Why nuke the menu? I can understand (although not agree with) taking > out beastie, but the menu was handy, and added useful (to me at > least) functionality. Is there some way to tweak it back in? Is there any way to keep it the way it was? I like it just fine, and it seems to me that the majority of users like it or don't care. Wouldn't it be more practical to provide an alternate menu without the logo for delicate sensibilities? As far as the question of the logo itself, no, FreeBSD doesn't *need* a logo, but it does actually help provide recognition. If a few people are offended by it, not much you can do, except perhaps provide a logo-free menu, if people think that's really necessary. Same thing happened with Procter and Gamble (http://www.google.com/search?q=procter+and+gamble+satan), as well as quite a few other companies and organizations. Honestly, you can't please everyone, and if an alternate menu is provided, then I'd imagine any complaints - and it seems just a few people are complaining about this irrelevant issue - would cease. - jt