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To: Roland Dowdeswell <elric@imrryr.org>
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Subject: Re: FUD about CGD and GBDE 
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In message <20050303165918.26C633700F@arioch.imrryr.org>, Roland Dowdeswell writes:

>I chose CGD with AES256 for two reasons.  First I wanted to compare
>systems with comparable performance.

	"More computing sins are committed in the name of efficiency
	(without necessarily achieving it) than for any other single
	reason - including blind stupidity."

				-- W.A.Wulf

GBDE has two major designgoals: Security and Usability/Deployability.

Performance is somewhere down the list after those two.

I'm looking forward to seeing something from you which amounts to more
than name-calling and hand-waving.

-- 
Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer       | BSD since 4.3-tahoe    
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.