Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:32:22 -0600 From: Peter <fbsdq@yahoo.com> To: bright@sneakerz.org, "Jordan Hubbard" <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>, "jeroen@unfix.org" <jeroen@unfix.org>, "hackers@freebsd.org" <hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code? Message-ID: <SAK.2001.06.20.rnfbshns@support10>
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http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6322264.html?tag=tp_pr Gates talks about GPL and being against it. ---Quote: In an interview Tuesday with CNET News.com at the TechEd 2001 conference, Gates observed that Microsoft routinely shares the source code for its Windows operating system with its partners. In addition, the company uses some open-source software in its Hotmail e-mail service. However, Gates said, "there are problems for commercial users relative to the (GNU General Public License), and we are just making sure people understand the GPL." end Quote. Miscrosoft isn't anti open-source, it's anti GPL. GPL is great for simple things, that don't create any standard, but work upon one. But as even RMS [I think it was RMS] agreed, BSD license is much better for 'standards'. -- ie the oog format was BSD licensed and the GPL people endorsed it because this would allow oog to grow, as now corps can [try to] make money off a format in their proprietary devices, unlike if oog was GPLed, it would die as no one would support it except for the linux folks. On 06/20/2001 3:16:23 PM, Alfred Perlstein is quoted as saying: [snip] . . . .|> I believe that Microsoft is against the GPL. Prolly won't find . . . .|> too much Linux code in Windows. The TCP/IP stacks (i've heard) . . . .|> are pretty close. Windows has added a few things, but essentially . . . .|> they are the same. The BSD licence and the GPL, as we all know, . . . .|> are very different. BSD good GPL bad. . . . .| . . . .|Microsoft can't include any GPL code in thier OS, as it would force . . . .|them to open source it. . . . .| . . . .|I think when Microsoft says: "We don't use open source because it's . . . .|dangerous" they mean GPL'd open source, because all _true_ open . . . .|source is contaminated by the GPL (*) making it useless for engaging . . . .|in any sort of competition. This is because the minute you make . . . .|your first sale you have to give up the code. . . . .| . . . .|Wouldn't it be somewhat eerie to have all your competitors signed . . . .|up as your first customers? Espcially if they knew they were going . . . .|to get a source CDrom with thier purchase? :) . . . .| . . . .|Of course we (BSD) get lumped in with "open source", well because we . . . .|are open source. And it's always fun to poke MS people with a pointy . . . .|stick and taunt them about thier utilization of BSD code. . . . .| . . . .|Of course using BSD code doesn't force you to do anything except be . . . .|honest about using it, something that MS's press dude seems to have . . . .|missed. . . . .| . . . .|(*) yes, i'm entitiled to be sarcastic. :) . . . .| . . . .|-Alfred . . . .| . . . .|To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org . . . .|with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message www.nul.cjb.net www.FreeBSD.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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