From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 26 22:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13932 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:02:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13926 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA25501; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:02:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA28279; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:02:17 -0500 (CDT) To: Studded Cc: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Andreessen: Linux use growing References: <199804261854.MAA25063@const.> <354393DC.2781E494@asme.org> <8767jwrse0.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> <35440534.167EB0E7@asme.org> <35440DBD.82A8A7AE@san.rr.com> From: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 27 Apr 1998 00:02:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: Studded's message of "Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:46:53 -0700" Message-ID: <87emyjrh5y.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.3/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Studded writes: > WINE is a good case of an app that doesn't work in freebsd because the > developers all use linux and don't care about cross-platform > portability. Well... the problem there which I'm aware of is that they want to support win32 threading, and they're doing it on top of clone(). I"m not sure whether they're could/should/are doing this on pthreads... but I do know (a) threading in freebsd needs more work (b) clone() is one of the things that will be implemented in freebsd. I've run into another linux app--a neat mp3 player--that also needed threads and so didn't run well under freebsd. So I could be wrong, but it sounds like they need a feature which freebsd doesn't *yet* provide. I'm not sure this is their fault. > Several of the apps that are packaged with afterstep > are examples of authors that are proud to be linux only. You mean like cpu meters? those are always os dependant (at least partially). > This problem is much more widespread than many in the freebsd camp > realize, and cuts to the heart of why linux has a much more rabid > and devoted following. There is more "cool stuff" for linux and much > of it is linux only. In most cases, however, isn't this because linux supports a feature that freebsd doesn't which is essential to the nature of the app, e.g., threading? (also possibly multimedia or device support that might lack in freebsd). Anyway, I'm not sure that this discussion has any point (at least the side I'm arguing ;-). what should we do? What's the goal? -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message