From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Oct 14 07:54:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508FDC11694 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 07:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mat@FreeBSD.org) Received: from prod2.absolight.net (mx3.absolight.net [IPv6:2a01:678:2:100::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "plouf.absolight.net", Issuer "CAcert Class 3 Root" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06CD89A1; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 07:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mat@FreeBSD.org) Received: from prod2.absolight.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prod2.absolight.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A498FBDCF1; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:54:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from atuin.in.mat.cc (atuin.in.mat.cc [79.143.241.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by prod2.absolight.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B543BDCC4; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:54:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: harder and harder to avoid pkg To: Julian Elischer , David Demelier , Andrea Venturoli References: <638fe078-80db-2492-90be-f1280eb8d445@freebsd.org> <20161012092403.66a41d9e@freedom.alkumuna.eu> <00f3768e-f57a-661c-aa62-89cdf10926bd@netfence.it> Cc: Matthieu Volat , "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" From: Mathieu Arnold Organization: Absolight / The FreeBSD Foundation Message-ID: <5a38b25d-2ac9-cd9b-0701-fbaad5af06c0@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:54:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4iMoPnVKuobFtcwhHAEP7tMjuTriNPt68" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 07:54:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --4iMoPnVKuobFtcwhHAEP7tMjuTriNPt68 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1sV4fewiVLWxMgoDMxRfQ04UaagUau7ac"; protected-headers="v1" From: Mathieu Arnold To: Julian Elischer , David Demelier , Andrea Venturoli Cc: Matthieu Volat , "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <5a38b25d-2ac9-cd9b-0701-fbaad5af06c0@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: harder and harder to avoid pkg References: <638fe078-80db-2492-90be-f1280eb8d445@freebsd.org> <20161012092403.66a41d9e@freedom.alkumuna.eu> <00f3768e-f57a-661c-aa62-89cdf10926bd@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: --1sV4fewiVLWxMgoDMxRfQ04UaagUau7ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 14/10/2016 =C3=A0 09:34, Julian Elischer a =C3=A9crit : > On 13/10/2016 5:42 AM, David Demelier wrote: >> 2016-10-12 10:04 GMT+02:00 Andrea Venturoli : >>> On 10/12/16 09:24, Matthieu Volat wrote: >>> >>>> And GNU/Linuxes can be a PITA when you have to track -dev(el) packag= es >>>> (which sometimes really requires -bin, -app or whatever), or worst, >>>> describe >>>> to people how they are supposed to build your software with weird >>>> subpackage >>>> names. >>>> >>>> I really like that ports provides the software project as intended b= y >>>> upstream (modulo options). >>> >>> Just a "me too" here! >> Could not agree more. >> >> Please forget that idea. >> >> I just hate having to install libfoo, libfoo-dev, libfoo-dbg, >> libfoo-doc, libfoo-whatever each time I need to develop on Linux. >> Please do not transform FreeBSD as a Linux distribution :) >> >> I love the way FreeBSD and some very sparse Linux distributions >> provide the packages exactly how it would be installed by hand (=3D >> vanilla). >> >> FreeBSD offers some options and very few changes for better >> integration but packages are provided vanilla. You want a package? You= >> install /packagename/ nothing more, nothing less. I really would like >> to see simple vanilla packages for the next 10 years. >> >> The FreeBSD ports is already extremely complicated, do not make it >> even harder :( > The suggestion is not for ports, but for packages.. > a single package could be unpacked in 'runtime only' or 'everything' > mode. > basically one package, two manifests. So no "foo-devel" or "foo-runtim= e" > just 'foo' It is for ports, because packages are built using ports, and ports would need to grow the feature. --=20 Mathieu Arnold --1sV4fewiVLWxMgoDMxRfQ04UaagUau7ac-- --4iMoPnVKuobFtcwhHAEP7tMjuTriNPt68 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJYAI8gXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQzQUI2OTc4OUQyRUQxMjEwNjQ0MEJBNUIz QTQ1MTZGMzUxODNDRTQ4AAoJEDpFFvNRg85IiIoP/AnBYrXbrzs1fR4NeyZ0o1Tm 9WAtdGxik9qnLbvvrjjLIxvkhsYsVD9xuxxqo/zxYekqLp5ekFolpaJXbwccy2G8 mfXqRJ30V++jS8evVyLSNBX5oue076SevQ7aTt/5p5SBar1zyPOeLLoO1IKZTxcX LBpo1tp8jWUsN8vGuOvRoksY0JTpSua7pA+Lrkero7IakeXJuYgBmBRUhv8zN4S9 zPaiFbf2yQKW43wIBqCPFsXkfauS6LMbSrRb2Lnfs9Jk1VQeFQ8MZ9QgUi/Dm5UO a3mG1LAo/2jljgCj1w8chT8tV4e+hbmRD3qBD3Gt5R0dZn0kkr4877nIU44c4uDt AkTNlJyGuI2SsllCB/bzZj8JxKkURP9cdYamISRKNKr9PBKcMASL0ZeyI5UbXrDC AFBJWdXKVcH6RdlhPO3l9OCTGwjwVZrfFfY6cH5+nSGmKE0tzMO4NLi/Ob1g0TWq znVqO0dTCK7sg3LJBoy7AyJQ9KWjq4nH/79uH6f6vUeWKY0uEdCkW2oy9aVGWVl1 R6Zd298F9fvlZeMHcqJdzYb/l4N76iUO1VBM2Ntk4IRGlU3+bh/ngQnIBE25VT71 hi2sepo0eIThga4rpJbtsKFJfLpjFC0d98zL1TehH7KXy+RpNoMY5hlq2twEpFaA nnrc1O16qzvO9EL9+5yt =9zps -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4iMoPnVKuobFtcwhHAEP7tMjuTriNPt68--