From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 29 14:54:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267DF37B401 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [213.235.167.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1421243F93 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:54:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0187B42A; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:53:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D7D192FDAC9; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:53:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:53:38 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Paul Robinson Message-ID: <20030629215338.GH11229@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Paul Robinson , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <200306162015.06836.nakal@web.de> <20030616151024.0616e1e4.eaja@erols.com> <20030616191852.GA52694@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <20030618100125.GP20204@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030618100125.GP20204@iconoplex.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Drawing graphics on terminal X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:54:02 -0000 # paul@iconoplex.co.uk / 2003-06-18 11:01:25 +0100: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 03:18:52PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > Some of this could be done in the current installer, if there wasn't > > an effort to make it still fit on a floppy. Mind you, I'd like to see > > the floppy based install stick around for a while, but I think FreeBSD > > needs to embrace the CD reality. > - A graphic installer would be nice though, because novice users need a bit > of cuddling in those first few scary hours when new to the OS. This would (and I viewed it this way when I started playing with OS OSes) be plain lying. Pretty splash screen, and then what? A command line? Pfff. I don't need a mascot winking at me from behind the edges of the screen, I want an OS that's as fast as it gets. STABLE on a P166/32MB RAM is faster than Mandrake 9.1 on a 400MHz Celeron with 128MB RAM. I don't want FreeBSD to become another Mandrake. Actually, I still remember installing FreeBSD for the first time (it was 3.something, and I didn't return back till 4.0 or something when I was actually determined to trying it out). I was scared, but I got it to install. Sysinstall is not that bad if you follow the signs, and quite managable if you don't. YaST and whatever RedHat calls their installer amounted to a damn lie to me. They promised things the running system didn't deliver, and I felt cheated. If you *really* want to make FreeBSD more user friendly, take a look at these man pages, and translate them into English: disklabel(8), fdisk(8), newfs(8). Or mount_ntfs(8): what the heck is a "nonresident file"? The installer is just an eyecandy, and not seen very often. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html