From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 01:34:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39BD4421 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F247EF73 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id E61F5CB8C9E; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:34:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 76.192.184.214 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:34:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <57856.76.192.184.214.1413423271.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <543F12EF.8020207@saveouraquifer.org> References: <543ED1D6.3000500@saveouraquifer.org> <543ED8C1.9090508@gmail.com> <543EF466.3070908@saveouraquifer.org> <543F0C42.1060401@gmail.com> <543F12EF.8020207@saveouraquifer.org> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:34:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: minder From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Walter" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:34:39 -0000 On Wed, October 15, 2014 7:35 pm, Walter wrote: > On 10/15/14, 8:07 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> On 2014-10-16 00:25, Walter wrote: >> > On 10/15/14, 4:27 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> >> On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote: >> >>> but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them >> >>> all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm >> >>> interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with >> >>> basic messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and >> >>> Linux (BSD) OS's. >> >> >> >> And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour >> >> of Linux... Right? >> > I may run BSD on some servers, but most people run Linux with a >> > desktop. And if it runs on Linux, it will likely run under BSD. >> >> > Or am I wrong on that? Or that most people use Linux over BSD? >> >> > Walter >> >> That wasn't my point. My point was that the form "Linux (BSD)" is >> dangerously close to calling BSD a Linux distro, which it isn't. > I'll try to be clearer then: I know the BSD's are not Linux distributions. > I know FreeBSD is it's own OS. But I also know FreeBSD has a Linux > compatibility layer, where it can run Linux programs. Maybe not all > of them, but at least some. > > Desktop Operating System Market Share: > http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 > Windows 7 > > 52.71% > Market Share of Windows XP > > Windows > XP > > 23.87% > Market Share of Windows 8.1 > > Windows > 8.1 > > 6.67% > Market Share of Windows 8 > > Windows > 8 > > 5.59% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.9 > > Mac > OS X 10.9 > > 4.05% > Market Share of Windows Vista > > Windows > Vista > > 3.07% > Market Share of Linux > > Linux > > 1.64% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.6 > > Mac > OS X 10.6 > > 0.74% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.8 > > Mac > OS X 10.8 > > 0.60% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.7 > > Mac > OS X 10.7 > > 0.57% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.1 > > Mac > OS X 10.1 > > 0.25% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.5 > > Mac > OS X 10.5 > > 0.14% > Market Share of Windows NT > > Windows > NT > > 0.05% > Market Share of Mac OS X 10.4 > > Mac > OS X 10.4 > > 0.04% > Market Share of Windows 2000 > > Windows > 2000 > > 0.02% > Market Share of Mac OS X (no version reported) > > Mac > OS X (no version reported) > > 0.01% > Market Share of Win64 > > Win64 > > 0.00% > Market Share of Windows 98 > > Windows > 98 > > > > > Linux has 1.64% market share, but no flavor of BSD makes the list. > I don't think saying Linux is more popular should be a major point of > contention. > > So, my thinking is that if a family of an application runs on Windows, > Mac, and Linux, it would be popular enough not to die out, and > likely to get all the bugs ironed out. AND, if it runs on Linux, FreeBSD > will likely run it too; that's what I meant by my poorly written words > "Linux (BSD)." > > So, can someone help me with a URL to find Minder documentation, and > can I elicit experiences with BitMessage, RetroShare, OpenDC, and the > like. > I'll be starting with FreeBSD and Mac but intend to add Windows and would > like to include Linux also. Thanks. > Who is the provider of information? Oh, it is [hell, who knows them].com How that data has been collected? Oh, yes, I see, they are bases on Windoze themselves (you see .aspx, do you?). Do you really think any serious server in the World can be based on Windoze. Well, M$ itself had a bunch of servers running under FreeBSD. So it is kind of clear they can not be taken seriously. And I kind of know who pays for the "information" presented, and I'm not surprised to see what I see. Certainly they didn't count my FreeBSD workstation and laptop. Not to mention a bunch of FreeBSD servers ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++