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Date:      Thu, 28 Dec 1995 21:18:38 +0100 (MET)
From:      sos@FreeBSD.ORG
To:        hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.)
Cc:        sos@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jdli@linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: syscons driver
Message-ID:  <199512282018.VAA14682@ra.dkuug.dk>
In-Reply-To: <199512281948.LAA01792@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Dec 28, 95 11:48:13 am

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In reply to Amancio Hasty Jr. who wrote:
>  > 
>  > I think the main reasons we dont see all those nifty GUI based apps, is
>  > 1. we dont have the nessesary (easy to use) tools
>  > 2. what we have is based on X which have its own set of problems
>  > 3. there has been no other "simplistic" approach to this before (that I 
>  >    know of)
>  > 
> 
> First of, we got to have people willing to write apps 8)

Yes, that was why I took that as point 1..

> X by itself is okay -- hard to use however it is flexible enough so 
> that we can build wrappers around it to make the job easier.
> tcl/tk has generated a few GUI tools which make it easier to write
> tools yet I have not seen hardly any native freebsd apps.
> So lets see the general progression: X, tcl/tk, InterViews, motif .

Yeah, but they all suffer from being resource hogs of the worst kind.
What I'd like to see was that all the simple things would be done
on a GUI basis too, and much of that *MUST* run on minimal hardware.

> Granted all the tools have something wrong with them however one would
> think that by now  many cool FreeBSD apps would have been written with 
> the existing tool base. Perhaps, what we need more than yet another 
> wonderful GUI tool is a set of goals or ideas for people to work on ...

Hmm, I think taht if our tools where good enough (and cough cough well
documented), there would be much more of these thingies

If it is only the ideas that is missing, oh boy I could make you a list
longer than a roll of toilet paper...

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Soren Schmidt             (sos@FreeBSD.org)             FreeBSD Core Team
               So much code to hack -- so little time.



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