From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 6 17:36:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086BC37B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from zircon.seattle.wa.us (dsl231-043-165.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 969D243FB1 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:36:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us) Received: (qmail 12803 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2003 01:36:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Feb 2003 01:36:02 -0000 Subject: Re: patchset 2 report (billh's resignation) From: Joe Kelsey To: Bill Huey Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , Marc van Kempen , John Polstra , "John L. Utz III" , Brent Verner , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rwatson@freesbsd.org, calvin.austin@sun.com, brian@collab.net, bod@freebsdfoundation.org In-Reply-To: <20030207010655.GB3899@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <01E2A478-3A25-11D7-8CFD-0003930B8FFA@bowtie.nl> <20030206175143.E15295@sasami.jurai.net> <20030207010655.GB3899@gnuppy.monkey.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1044581762.84890.48.camel@zircon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 Date: 06 Feb 2003 17:36:02 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 17:06, Bill Huey wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 06:00:55PM -0500, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Marc van Kempen wrote: > > > If you'd just say "Bill you're an **** for insulting me the way that > > > you do, but I have since researched the mailing list and commit logs > > > and acknowledge that you have made a big contribution to the whole java > > > porting process and more specifically to the hotspot port, and we would > > > have certainly consulted you had I known." > > > > > > Now is that so hard? > > > > You know, one doesn't typically -demand- recognition. > > Not in a function group, no. But this isn't the case. > > > If you're working on something of your own volition "for fun" you can't > > seriously expect anything for your efforts. If you require some sort of > > compensation you're free make that a condition for others to use your > > work. > > Sure, you can. I can expect the my work be respect, recognized and that > this earns a kind of status in a group. That's the point of the entire > thing otherwise they're basically stealing my work without recognizing > me. The problem, Bill, is that your work does speak for itself. It speaks volumes about someone who fundamentally does not understand how to work in a group or to work within a specific porting framework. The Java project is better with Alexey working on it. /Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message