From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 7 13:33:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from penelope.skunk.org (penelope.skunk.org [208.133.204.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9458414E73 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:33:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@penelope.skunk.org) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by penelope.skunk.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21024; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:41:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:41:29 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Rosengart To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Matthew Dillon , Dennis , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI DMA lockups in 3.2 (3.3 maybe?) In-Reply-To: <945.944512678@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Many arguments about how we were holding up progress and that > volunteers were going to start wandering off to other *BSD projects > were raised, along with more dire predictions, and finally enough was > enough and we set a date by which all the late committers should get > their stuff in so that we could finally branch the sucker. We did so > and there was much rejoicing, at least up until now when various folks > felt compelled to creatively reinterpret history and turn an > "unconscionable delay" into a "precipitous rush to branch." I said at the time that 3.0 wasn't ready, and so did Greg Lehey, IIRC. It was he who said something to the effect that the so-called "beta testing" was actually integration testing. I didn't start recommending 3.x for production environments until after 3.2 came out and had taken enough pounding to give me some confidence in it. I'm not blaming anyone, nor am I saying that I would have run things better, but I *am* taking issue with the accusation of revisionism. -- Ben Rosengart UNIX Systems Engineer, Skunk Group StarMedia Network, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message