From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 15 16:59:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DA0F37B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:59:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 64055 invoked by uid 100); 16 Mar 2001 00:59:46 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15025.25986.558682.795289@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:59:46 -0600 To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315075228.00e60ac0@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315005732.00b5cef0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314185307.00e6ab00@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314182353.00ba5880@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314170008.00d86960@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314132512.04acb100@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010313211657.00e294a0@localhost> <3AADC096.DE27817@outpost.co.nz> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311235053.00e26140@localhost> <20010305205030.G80474@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010305125259.00cfdae0@localhost> <20010305142108.A17269@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306011342.045fb360@localhost> <20010306081025.A22143@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306092612.00b79f00@localhost> <20010306174618.N32515@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311230800.00e19bd0@localhost> <15020.28993.192354.986367@guru.mired.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010312223234.0445f3a0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315075228.00e60ac0@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass types: > At 01:07 AM 3/15/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > >You have as yet to prove that he advocates stealing. All you've done > >is quoted him encouraging people to share software. > And then saying that piracy is "sharing." Oh, and he also directly > advocates piracy during public appearances. Describing actions so they fit the world-view you want people to adopt is a an accepted practice in political arguments. Stallmans' acts are exactly paralleled by the SPA's propoganda posters that say "Copying is theft". They are quite literally calling you a thief for using FreeBSD. You've shown me two separate quotes witn no context that, if put together, imply he advocates theft. They no more prove that he has done that than the SPA's propoganda - especially when tied with Allchin's recent comments - proves that they want to make free software illegal. > >Or are you such an > >extremist that you think that no one shold be allowed to share > >software? > Do you think I'd be using BSD if I did? It appears that you're > now moving toward the paranoid loony fringe of the FSF, which > has lately been touting this absurd, imaginary "threat." I'd say I'm reacting to a paranoid, looney dupe of the publishers industry. Now that the public has become aware of publishers attacks on fair use and artists rights, they are trying to demonize Stallman et. al. to provide an excuse and you're helping them. The only problem is that their attacks date back to at least 1976; well before the GNU Manifesto, the Free Software Foundation, and public access to the internet - much less the availability of broadband access that you've tried to blame. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message