From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 20:26:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9847E37B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4166643FA3 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B682A8BB; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jeff Roberson In-Reply-To: <20030327143259.I64602-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:26:49 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030329042649.18B682A8BB@canning.wemm.org> cc: arch@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: Daniel Eischen Subject: Re: 1:1 threading. X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 04:26:51 -0000 Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Scott Long wrote: > > > Once 5-STABLE happens, users of 5.x can no longer be guinea pigs for KSE > > > development. By keeping the 1:1 and M:N API's separate, KSE can > > > progress in 6-CURRENT until it is proven while still allowing MFC's to > > > 5-STABLE to happen without too much pain. > > > > That's kind of silly; we have other ways to keep API/ABI > > compatability and have used this for all other syscalls. > > The KSE and thread mailboxes even have version numbers > > in them. > > Which means they are likely to change. I do not want to develop on > unstable APIs and unstable kernel code. kern_thr.c is 254 lines. I think > we can handle a little duplication. I'm not sure why the objection is so > strong. I for one think they should use seperate syscalls. We shouldn't have designed-for-KSE mailboxes going anywhere near this stuff and it gives the KSE folks plenty of room to keep tweaking their data structures. Anyway, I can't wait to see how this works out. It is becoming a Big Deal at work, we're using the linuxthreads port + rfork() out of desperation. libthr can't possibly be any nastier than that. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5