Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:40:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> To: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca Cc: dillon@earth.backplane.com (Matt Dillon), des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling Smorgrav), mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: List of things to move from main tree to ports (was Re: Message-ID: <200102162040.NAA08079@usr05.primenet.com> In-Reply-To: <200102161917.f1GJHPl29820@cwsys.cwsent.com> from "Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group" at Feb 16, 2001 11:16:47 AM
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> One could say the same about the "r" commands, telnet, and ftp. For > telnet and ftp: Extremely controversial. For the "r" commands, I'd > rate the issue as half way between controversial and extremely > controversial. What do you think? > > > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca > Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA > Province of BC Time for some philosophy? Sun is in a very different mind space. For one thing, it is very easy to compartmentalize daemon replacement, due to it's rc system being composed of component files, instead of being monolithic, as long as you ignore the inetd.conf issues. This also makes it boot slower, but you could always cache "compilations" of scripts to deal with that transparently except for the first boot following a reconfiguration, which would go away if there were a pre-recompile. Security is always a tradeoff between usability and safety. I think, philosophically, that FreeBSD has to be as easy as possible to get to what is generally accepted as "functional", and I'd even go so far as to say that "minimally functional" doesn't cut it. The barrier to entry for a free OS is always going to be how easy it is to install and deinstall without risking anything else on the machine. I think we're all confident that once people try it, if they are trying it for the things for which effort has been expended (i.e. desktop isn't there yet), then they'll come back. I think a number of these suggestions (not just yours) are the kind which increase the barrier to entry, and the FreeBSD market is not really mature enough to tolerate a lot of that at this stage (or FreeBSD would be taking the OpenBSD "it comes locked by default" approach). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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