From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 6 22:33:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96C616A41C for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:33:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jim@netgate.com) Received: from netgate.com (mail.netgate.com [64.62.194.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F42E43D53 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:33:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jim@netgate.com) Received: by netgate.com (Postfix, from userid 45) id 69055280016; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.191] (rrcs-67-52-77-54.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.77.54]) by netgate.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BB5280013; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:33:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jim Thompson Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:33:46 -1000 To: Claus Guttesen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on he-colo.netgate.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apple moving to x86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:33:53 -0000 On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Claus Guttesen wrote: > Hi. > > I know this is a bit off-topic but it will probably have some impact > on the ongoing work with FreeBSD. As most know by now Apple will base > it's next-generation hardware on the x86-architecture moving away from > the PowerPC. > > My hope is that Apple will take the direction away from Darwin and the > Mach-kernel and adopt a more stock FreeBSD userland and kernel. > FreeBSD may already benefit from some of the work done or funded by > Apple but it would be easier to integrate new functionality (in both > directions) if Apple were to base it's OS XI on a Apple-tuned but > otherwise GENERIC kernel. I made this assertion to Jordon about a year ago, and got back something a lot like "you're on drugs". He didn't say that, but thats what it felt like. From what I've seen of the programs that Apple has "open sourced", they do tend to use Mach-specific features ("ports") come to mind.