From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 5 01:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AD316A563 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D243843D67 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:18:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739EA1310E3; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:48:33 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 545ED86F5A; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:48:33 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:48:33 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Kevin Kinsey Message-ID: <20060605011833.GO55506@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <44800D1F.3010200@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jXoUnAu9pZeaHebo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44800D1F.3010200@daleco.biz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 VoIP: sip:0871270137@sip.internode.on.net WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: "Travis H." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is vinum in FBSD 6.0? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:18:47 -0000 --jXoUnAu9pZeaHebo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 2 June 2006 at 5:04:15 -0500, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Travis H. wrote: >> >> Is there some kind of IP lawsuit over vinum or something? > > If so, it's never been mentioned ;-) It has now, but it's the first time I've heard of it. > It's a valid question, but I don't think Greg's that kind of guy. > As for Veritas, I *think* they had some sort of agreement (re: the > name), (but I could be blowing smoke there); IIRC, vinum(8) was > "patterned after the idea of" the Veritas software, and not in any > way a "copy" or "clone" of it.... In fact, I never asked VERITAS. I only modelled Vinum on VxVM, anyway; there are big differences. In any case, there was one IP issue at the very beginning: I developed the RAID-5 functionality under contract with Cybernet Inc., and part of that agreement was that I would not release it until 18 months after it became functional. That time has long passed, and RAID-5 has of course been released. There have never been any conflicts arising from IP issues, neither with Cybernet, VERITAS, myself or anybody else. > As others have stated, vinum has been replaced by "gvinum". Greg > had stated in the past that the GEOM layer's introduction had "badly > broken vinum", so I'm guessing that vinum was removed so that no one > would attempt to use it on a newer system and get "unexpected" > results. The original intention was to modify Vinum to work with GEOM. Lukas did the work, and he chose to rewrite significant parts of it, and also to rename it. I disagreed with both of these decisions (see the problems they've caused, like what's being discussed here), but he's the man, and he gets to call the shots. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --jXoUnAu9pZeaHebo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEg4ZpIubykFB6QiMRAs9gAKCI3JUv6+l3EWvuI0meP9Vp4V0cRQCfadCr 85o3N1G2tGqBw9pm3p0tW1o= =g007 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jXoUnAu9pZeaHebo--