From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 27 09:03:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F027715DEF67 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 09:03:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8E9B74F75 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 09:03:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.103.163.228]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MJEpp-1i17h94BcB-00KhlD; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:03:41 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:03:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: I've got a major question... 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Consider the actual reasons for this back-migration, and also consider the results (even worse increasing costs than before the initial migration). > Just take a look at the homepage of the German fiscal authority: > An important note mentions, that an option is only available for a > proprietary operating system. "Wichtiger Hinweis: Zur Zeit ist der > FormsForWeb Filler nur f=FCr Windows verf=FCgbar." This also applies to ElsterAuthenticator, where a Linux version is available, but buggy, written in poor Java. Other tools like sv.net comfort are only available for the most recent version of "Windows". Free access does not exist. > Keep in mind that some software is not available at all for FLOSS > operating systems and if a replacement should be available, it's often > not that compatible as claimed. This is especially true when you need software for a special purpose. Maybe I would call them "niche software", but it is actually in heavy use, like accounting, payroll, time-work management, or ticketing systems. Those are not web-based, but require the use of "Windows" (and: no, you cannot use older versions). Trying to run those with wine is often very complicated, as it ties very heavily into the bowels of "Windows" and cannot run with the (limited) support of wine. Sure, you can use a VM with "Windows" on an otherwise Linux or FreeBSD system, but that doesn't really solve the problem. > If you send a file to a printing house, > you need to generate a file that is 100% compatible to the common used > standard, a 99% compatible file could cause a lot of trouble. That's why Postscript exists. :-) > In my experiences the first mistake usually is already done after > downlaoding an installation media. Not many users check it against a > signed checksum. I provided a script on some Ubuntu flavour mailing > lists [1]. However, even this script can't provide a web of trust. The same applies to updates to expensive and "secure" software, as presented on a CCC a few years ago. FTP. The pure horror. Checksum test disabled, no further disagreement. ;-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...