From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 27 19:44:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FDA16A417 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:44:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04ABE13C458 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:44:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAM9tnEeC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACqRQ Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 27 Jan 2008 11:44:02 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008012711440074-2046 ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:44:00 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Mike Meyer In-Reply-To: <20080127133341.0f5e3f5f@bhuda.mired.org> Message-ID: References: <84a208a0801232306k6a34134aqd549a1ba2160fe41@mail.gmail.com> <4798479B.9030406@delphij.net> <20080124185522.23ca743f@bhuda.mired.org> <864pd15163.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86hch0pqhl.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080126183449.5086079e@bhuda.mired.org> <20080127133341.0f5e3f5f@bhuda.mired.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 01/27/2008 11:44:00, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 01/27/2008 11:44:02, Serialize complete at 01/27/2008 11:44:02 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-758783491-1201463041=:14070" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker 101 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:44:03 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---559023410-758783491-1201463041=:14070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On Sun, 27 Jan 2008, Mike Meyer wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:55:53 -0800 (PST) KAYVEN RIESE w= rote: >> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Mike Meyer wrote: >>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:24:36 -0800 (PST) KAYVEN RIESE = wrote: >>>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: >>>>> KAYVEN RIESE writes: >>> thing, it's a fact of line in a multi-platform Unix environment. >> my reason for bringing the whole thing up was based on the idea >> that this person might be used to using *.rpm all the time > > Well, maybe. But consider the context: they're looking at moving from > GNU/Linux to FreeBSD, so they're probably familiar with more than one > GNU/Linux distro, so there's a good chance they'ev seen more than just > rpms for system software distribution. Further, they're looking at > noticed that the binaries for other platforms weren't in rpms. Since > they're programmers, they've probably downloaded source distributions, > which are almost invariable tarballs of some sort or another. > > In other words, the chances that they've only seen rpm file > distributions would seem to be vanishingly small, so there are things > that are far more likely to disrupt them - like the difference in i feel like i have noticed some sites that only have rpms. this is more like the type of serious concern that i was concocting in my own tiny mind. however, if you simply note that its part of the linux compatibility packages, then my concern is absolutely unfounded and i will shut up {:} > > If you feel you have to mention it, then you should really talk about > the tools, not the formats: GNU/Linux distros tend to use rpm* or apt* > tools for installing and managing software packages, whereas FreeBSD > uses the pkg* tools. > >> and this >> would be a difference he would experience moving to > freeBSD, if >> this was the case. if this is not the case for him, as you seem >> to be implying, then.. well.. still.. he must know to avoid >> *.rpm distributions in any case unless he installs a *.rpm compatibility >> tool. is that part of the linux-compat stuff that freeBSD has? > > Just out of curiosity, where do you expect to find software for > FreeBSD in an rpm format? I don't think they exist, so *avoiding* them > wont' be a problem. Possibly wasting time looking for them might be, > but again, that seems really unlikely given the context, so there are > more important things to suggest they not waste time on, like > wandering how they upgrade just part of the base system. > > --=20 > Mike Meyer =09=09http://www.mired.org/consulting.html > Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* ---559023410-758783491-1201463041=:14070--