From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 4 01:57:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D9D16A417 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:57:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1405C13C46A for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:57:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 12397 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 01:57:31 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Dec 2007 01:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4754B3A2.7030302@chuckr.org> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:55:46 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071107 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <475472FE.1000302@chuckr.org> <475481E5.50408@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <475481E5.50408@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Paul Schmehl , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:57:32 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Chuck Robey wrote: >> Paul Schmehl wrote: >> Why the silly games? I get the feeling that Aryeh is honestly not >> understanding that he's trying to change the basic way that things >> get done in FreeBSD. He doesn't see that. In industry, first a >> decision is made that a market exists for such and such, then a >> study is made as to what could be done realistically. We don't >> operate that way. > > If finding the market is all they do but they don't follow the whole > process to produce code then they completely missed the point... the > idea of "modern" (almost anything that post-dates v7 of unix) looks at > how to do the whole process systematically... thats the idea here.... > doing a market survey then doing no code is as worse as making random > tweaks for no apparent reason (i.e. you have no idea if they are needed) Well, that last paragraph seems to be telling me that you do indeed want to modify the procedure we produce code with. OK then, I tried to explain what parts are worth dicussing, and what parts aren't, and you've either decided I'm just plain wrong, or lying to you. I'm not insulted, I'm just bored by the endless arguments that have been there about once or twice a year, and never ever gets even close to causing change. Seeing as you are going to "tilt at windmills", I now lose interest. This is an unrealistic target you've aimed at, but I'll surely admit that you sound much more reasonable than the usual sort of folks who try to take this on. Too bad.