From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 16 18:33:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14670 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linkou.trace.com.tw (ronald@linkou.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14645 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronald@localhost) by linkou.trace.com.tw (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA17094; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:32:28 +0800 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:32:28 +0800 (CCT) From: Ronald Wiplinger To: Eddie Fry cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: spam mail In-Reply-To: <33A35515.402B@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > Hey, > > I just saw a .signature on the internet that may be usefull in stopping > spam mail. Here it is. Do you think this would stand up in small > claims court??? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, Sec. 227, > any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is > subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. > E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Eddie > > I do not see here a way to stop it. The USA law is not valid outside. If you would like to enforce it though it cost you a lots more money and effort than just press the delete key. Beside this, I cannot imagine to sue an "e-mail", maybe even faked e-mail. An postal address you would not get anyway. Another example is "really damaging". I had a hacker in my system, I traced him back to the University in Estland. The result: 12000 US$ damage on my site, both students got suspended said the Universities "newspaper editor" (who knows if real). You have no real chance to get here something back. 12000 US$ is a real damage, an unsolicite e-mail is not really an damage, beside the anger and connection fee, most of the US sites have unlimited, so remains only the lowest phone rate on earth. I would like to see something that really help. Something like block a site, ... However even here it is difficult. As more users you get as more chance you have to get a spamer. Why should 99.99% users be punished for one a**** ? The second is, that many spamer do not use their own e-mail, most of them fake the senders address and/or relay them through. Frankly speaking I would not be able to find somebody who used my providers station as relay with a fake address of my station. My provider is "government", so the help is very limited. I guess the better way of the future will be, that you CANNOT send e-mails without 100% identification. Than maybe the USA law can be enforced even abroad. ... just my thinking, ... bye Ronald