From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 2:57:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ADF37B9C5 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JQBK06Q4VW00015X@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:57:30 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:57:30 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:57:29 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: JDK status? To: 'Curt Sampson' Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D7602@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > At this time, everyone is free to download the patches and > > build his own JDK after signing the SCSL. Even without a binary > > distribution option, we can make a killer port out of this baby. > > Sure, but what's the point if nobody can use it. Most of the world > is not interested in getting a source license and building it > themselves. > You are right. It would severly limit the number of people that use the port. I was just thinking for myself, I guess. > > > Nate Williams just made a unofficial, off-the-record, speculative > > pre-announcement on freebsd-java. Basically he says that at > > JavaOne there should be a happy surprise for Java/FreeBSD people. > > Yeah, but this worries me, because where does this leave the NetBSD > folks? I hope this isn't going to be `FreeBSD gets to join the > little clique with Linux whilst all other free software is left > out in the cold.' > I have no intention of joining any cliques. I'm sorry if that is the impression it leaves. We are building our effort on the fact that Java's number one RFE is to get a JDK port out for FreeBSD. I think that if we went to Sun saying: "Please open your stuff for the world", they would be a lot harder to persuade than now that we can say: "We are solving your number 1 RFE, in fact, look, we've got most of it running already. All we'd like you to give us the legal goahead and we'll do the work." Once FreeBSD moved from the list of "other operating systems", Sun will see that it's not at all that painful. In fact, it may even get them some favourable press. Based on the FreeBSD port, other BSD's can build their own port quite quickly, and repeat the cycle that FreeBSD has done: get a working (well, limping) JDK, talk to Sun, get backing. The other BSD's should be able to have a much shorter cycle. Kees Jan ============================================== Everyone is responsible for his own actions, and (people tend to forget this) the effect they have on others. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message