From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Thu Jul 16 13:47:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4E799CCD2 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris.benesch@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x235.google.com (mail-ie0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B44111E32 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris.benesch@gmail.com) Received: by ietj16 with SMTP id j16so56075004iet.0 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 06:47:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WEYeAK1361SyIgVuVzgX6ekTcRSLjaSxZlGNgttGSVE=; b=H9oedp0Lc5qFiy9cBefljMDcWbhmfR5o5VzUgt5o+veN6NViDRaTrXCGSRhD6X4uNL ugE2borNuLK/2vhrzGzKJE6fwWC8Wqcte2UiGLINVuLe73TTzXvEC9qtRxnktlj7Wk1F FDT+Rz8nyvLpK8Ch1zZsTQPlLFVqxuMsgwuvZJ7SfmxhSiJ1oRYDWosSfokM+TG+KH3a zDhVMP3j7VgABhM2ffa7BPrEsYH6p0ybJbMMIa6B+O0gb5TZcidTefkWBUkWkKT6SLbn RiMhBd4u9rXsp/35kw0jjT9U9SlUAPYHWv6ePpaDqE3HZD4lPjuV3BMvXJ8r27+e1YOg Bykg== X-Received: by 10.107.152.144 with SMTP id a138mr11713667ioe.149.1437054468633; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 06:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:470:4b:329:14a0:a003:685a:5e98? ([2001:470:4b:329:14a0:a003:685a:5e98]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k74sm5017116iok.30.2015.07.16.06.47.46 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jul 2015 06:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A7B601.1090700@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 07:47:45 -0600 From: Chris Benesch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Concerning our new Code of Conduct... References: <55A7A913.40801@mailoo.org> In-Reply-To: <55A7A913.40801@mailoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:47:50 -0000 This is a tough thing to be in the middle of, but lets look at the facts. I moderated a forum for years, and it had no clearly defined goal like this community, so it was nothing but people poking sticks at each other and/or local government. 1 . Randi basically called Johannes a "whiny little prick". Sorry I couldnt see the attachments he provided but based on her responses, I dont think I'm far off. 2 . Johannes says that she should stop because we have a code of conduct that prohibits that. Whoever is a majority or minority or whatever doesnt matter. This is about the good of our operating system that we know and love. If people want to fight, insult, date each other, or discuss the latest episode of Friends, do it on the appropriate forum or through traditional email. I'm a nobody, I contributed to pstree ten years ago when AIX5L came out. All I am saying is dont feed the troll, and most of all, dont let the immature actions of one individual sabotage valuable work to an important cause. There are a lot of personality types involved here, and just because you dont like them as a friend isnt what this is all about. If you dont like them, dont talk to them, simple as that. Personal attacks have no place here. And yes, Randi, those are personal attacks, no matter how much you try to intellectualize them. On 7/16/2015 6:52 AM, Edelwin Khaelos wrote: >>> There are approximately 400 active committers, and not even five of >>> those are women. How the *hell* can you claim to be discriminated >>> against when you are part of a 99% majority? >>> >> >> So you are saying that one person can't complain against other person >> actions/behaviour strictly because it is part of some majority? >> That's like >> very sexist (given we're talking about being male/female here) and >> discriminative (in general) thing since you're denying him the same >> rights >> simply because he's a male. >> >> I think that's realy bad thing. > > Congratulations, you totally missed the point :) > > You are saying that a person belonging to a *ruling* majority is being > discriminated against in their own ruling majority by a concept which > denounces a whiny and hypocrite behaviour (male tears: when a member > of this ruling majority tries ‑unsuccessfully‑ to impersonate an > oppressed minority when their ruling position is in jeopardy). > > (good luck in you life, by the way, because this kind of behaviour > only works on the Internet… or at least that's what you thought ;) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"